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Re: Windows server imaging

2005-08-01 08:01:53
Subject: Re: Windows server imaging
From: Egon Blouder <egonle AT NETSCAPE DOT NET>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:01:25 -0400
Hi,

well, I'm talking about the diskpart steps. Certainly admins are able to use 
diskpart however you must know the original partion types/ size(s). Look at 
ghost/livestate recovery or similar tools. Any of those knows the partition 
information and is able to restore to origin or even do a resize of that. If we 
(tsm users) are going to use TSM as a general imaging environment we shouldn't 
bother on using different tools for paritioning really.


Best Regards,

..--

TSM_User <tsm_user AT YAHOO DOT COM> wrote:

>What partition information are you talking about. Are you refereing to the 
>steps where it has you run diskpart?
>
>Those aren't that complicated and most Windows admins know how to setup 
>partitions with diskpart. I would bet those that don't won't undertake the 
>WinPE restore to begin with.
>
>K
>
>Egon Blouder <egonle AT NETSCAPE DOT NET> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>one major problem I have/see in using 1) is the lack of restore of partition 
>information. That has to be done manually. IMHO that should be a few lines of 
>code that must Tivoli add to TSM.
>
>Regards,
>..--
>
>TSM_User wrote:
>
>>Opps, below I said "you can" get disimilar hardware to work with ASR.  I 
>>meant you can't.
>>
>>Sorry.
>>
>>TSM_User wrote:
>>1) You can use TSM to run an online image backup. Then TSM and WinPE to 
>>create an offline image restore.
>>
>>2) You can use ASR.
>>
>>3) You can simply use the Install OS, Install Client, Restore system state, 
>>then restore OS drive.
>>
>>You can get ASR to work with dissimilar hardware but you can run through an 
>>In-Place upgrade after the image restore or after the regular restore. It is 
>>a seperate mini install that you run after the restore from the MS 
>>installation media. Basically it re-enumarates the hardware but leaves all 
>>the software intact so your not prompted for server name, key and stuff like 
>>that the second time around. I've used this method to go from old MCP 
>>motherboards to new ACPI. I've went from single processor machines to dual. 
>>From one raid controller to another. It all works.
>>
>>I have nothing against Cristie. I'll just say that when you go through the 
>>process using the In-Place upgrade it is hard to justify the cost per server 
>>to save a few hours. If Cristie was $25 US per server then I'd recommend you 
>>get it for every server in your shop. But I belive the cost is many $100's 
>>which I can't justify when the manual process works so well and only hads 5 
>>minutes of work time and about 1.5 hours to the restore.
>>
>>Kyle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Prather, Wanda" wrote:
>>My 2 cents:
>>
>>TSM recovery with Windows ASR (WIn2K3 and XP only, not Win2K) is
>>terrific, because
>>1) you don't have to create images ahead of time
>>2) TSM saves the data you need every time it runs a backup
>>3) it is not impacted by hardware changes
>>4) it doesn't cost anything
>>5) it doesn't' require additional software to be installed on
>>the client
>>
>>BUT, if you are planning to use it in an offsite DR situation,
>>you have the problem that Microsoft doesn't
>>restoring the System Object from one machine to another.
>>Full instructions for use are in the TSM client manual.
>>
>>Christie BMR may be better depending on your circumstances
>>1) you have to walk through a process of saving the system
>>config to TSM or a floppy BEFORE you need it
>>2) it's another piece of software to be licensed, installed and
>>configured on all your clients
>>3) extra cost
>>
>>BUT, it's the onlye thing I know of that SUPPORTS a bare-metal
>>restore from one Windows machine to the other.
>>Could vastly simplify your offsite recovery at a DR site.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf 
>>Of
>>Stapleton, Mark
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:04 PM
>>To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>>Subject: Re: Windows server imaging
>>
>>
>>I wouldn't bother spending the money. You can rebuild a Windows TSM
>>client with just TSM in three majorly different ways, depending upon
>>your circumstances, and a myriad of methods within each way.
>>
>>--
>>Mark Stapleton (stapleton AT berbee DOT com)
>>IBM Certified Advanced Deployment Professional
>>Tivoli Storage Management Solutions 2005
>>IBM Certified Advanced Technical Expert (CATE) AIX
>>Office 262.521.5627
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
>>>Behalf Of Terry McColgan
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:14 PM
>>>To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>>>Subject: Re: Windows server imaging
>>>
>>>Christie BMR - t
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Richard Mochnaczewski
>>>[mailto:Richard.Mochnaczewski AT STANDARDLIFE DOT CA]
>>>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:40 AM
>>>To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>>>Subject: Windows server imaging
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>>I've been reading up on the various image/restore methods for Windows
>>>servers . What do users favour ?
>>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>
>>
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