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Re: Creating a copy storage pool with a different retention time

2005-01-06 19:06:47
Subject: Re: Creating a copy storage pool with a different retention time
From: Steve Harris <Steve_Harris AT HEALTH.QLD.GOV DOT AU>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:05:03 +1000
Steve,

I don't see how this will save tapes, in fact it should use more tapes if you 
could get it to work.

It sounds like your management wants two offsite copies, is that the case? Belt 
and braces so they are not relying on a single copy in the case of a disaster? 
Do they understand that TSM retention periods have nothing to do with  how long 
the tape is offsite?

In a normal TSM operation, because of the incremental nature of backups you 
already use far fewer tapes than you would with the equivalent GFS rotation.  
Of course this can be defeated if you are doing a lot of full database backups 
or lots of weekly archives because of obsolete policies that demand a "weekly 
full", but if that is the way that things are, you can do nothing on the TSM 
side to reduce the offsite requirement.  If two offsite copies are required, 
then you need two *full* offsite copies. Nothing else will do (although you 
needn't send off the second copy every day). Periodic export node or generate 
backupset can be used if you want a snapshot of a subset of nodes, but this is 
unwieldy and impractical for all data.

I don't know how iron mountain operates but, reading between the lines, it 
sounds like they offer a simple time-based rotation scheme, or that your 
organization has signed up for such a service. Such schemes don't fit well with 
the TSM paradigm. However, TSM can be forced to fit.  There was a discussion by 
Paul Seay a couple of years ago where he described his method of dealing with 
this :- if there is a monthly rotation, then after 25 days offsite, a delete 
volume or move data is run on the offsite tape and thus its contents are 
recreated at the next backup stg. Check the archives.

Some combination of this rotation scheme, changed offsite return cycles and 
multiple copypools should be able to satisfy your management's requirements.

Regards

Steve Harris
TSM Admin
Queensland Health, Brisbane Australia

>>> Weinstein AT DOR.STATE.MA DOT US 06/01/2005 23:08:51 >>>
In order to save tapes. Managements would like to make 2 copies of files to go 
offsite to iron mountain.  One copy would be sent off
daily and we would like
It to be returned in 14 days with a retention of 14 days.  The other copy will 
be sent off weekly and have a retention of 1 year.
The only thing I can think of
So far is when a daily offsite tape is returned from iron mountain, I could do 
a discard data to free up that tape, but I would like
a better way.

steve

 -----Original Message-----
From:   ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT vm.marist DOT edu]  On Behalf 
Of Steve Harris
Sent:   Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:36 PM
To:     ADSM-L AT vm.marist DOT edu 
Subject:        Re: Creating a copy storage pool with a different retention time

Why do you want to do this?

We may be able to come up with a different way to satisfy your requirement.

Steve


>>> Weinstein AT DOR.STATE.MA DOT US 05/01/2005 2:16:05 >>>
Currently I have my policy set to retain file backups for 1 year.  First I do 
my backups to my disk storage pools, I then have 2
copy pools,  I copy the data to a non-collocated copy pool I send off site for 
1 year, and then make a second copy which I keep
onsite  as a spare copy of my onsite-pool that gets migrated from the disk 
pool.  What I would like to do is create another copy
storage pool with a different retention, just
14 days.  How would I do this, or the better question is is possible to do??


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