Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
2011-06-01 23:37:55
Virtual master server The NetBackup master server is supported within a virtual machine, under the limitations described in the “General guidelines for support.” Refer to the following NetBackup Operating System compatibility document for a list of supported NetBackup 7.x master server platforms: http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH127089 If you have the infrastructure in place to easily replicate your .vmdk files to DR this could greatly simplify disaster recovery by giving you a fully functional master without the hassle of catalog recovery. -Jonathan From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:SJACOBSO AT novell DOT com] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:24 PM To: Scott Chapman; veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu; Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com Cc: Simon (external)' 'WEAVER; Martin, Jonathan; 'VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup. Off Topic - a VM Master NBU Server? I wasn't aware that Symantec supported a VM Master server, at least in 6.5.x they don't. Perhaps that has changed in 7.x ? -sj
>>> <Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com> 6/1/2011 2:52 PM >>> I'll state first that we use a capacity based licensing model, so I've been out of the loop for a few years on licenses and all that (thank goodness!).
The VMware backup host can be a Client, Media Server, or even a Master. All it has to have is access to the datastore(s) and configured in NetBackup as a VMware backup host. For licensing, I would assume this is, at least, a normal client or possibly an enterprise client license.
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Martin, our sales team has lead us to believe that you license per physical machine, so in the case where you say 219x$500, you actually only need 10physical x $500 = $5000. So the vStorage backup is actually more, because you now have to pay $2000 x 10 = $20,000, plus you need to license the "backup host" which needs to be a windows media server (can't be an ent client as it backs up hosts other than itself).
Scott Chapman Senior Technical Specialist Storage and Database Administration ICBC - Victoria Ph: 250.414.7650 Cell: 250.213.9295
-----Original Message----- From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:57 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
If a standard client runs $500 and an enterprise client runs $2000, then as long as you back up more than 4 virtual machines you are saving a heap of money. I'm not sure why you need the SAN Media Server, I use a standard media server that is already licensed and did not investigate using a SAN media server for this purpose. But the per-VM cost could offset this purchase easily.
As a real world example, I am currently upgrading a site to NBU 7.1 with 219 VMs on 10 physical hosts. That's 219 x $500 = $109,500 versus 10 x $2,000 = $20,000 in licenses. This is all ballpark pricing, but we've completely changed all of our licenses to this model for the savings.
Does this not work for you? I'm certain there are scenarios where this doesn't work but I didn't think them very common, i.e. high-powered VMs that consume 50% of the physical hosts' resources. We tend not to virtualize in these types of cases.
-Jonathan
-----Original Message----- From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:34 AM To: VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by VeritasNetbackup.
Hi I have used 7.0.1 with vSphere 4.1, using a SAN MEdia Server, writing to disk and tape, and it seems good!
The only problems I have is the price!!!!!! Its WAYYYYYY expensive :-((( But we cant buy it !!! Symantec dont seem to be offering us good pricing :-(
Simon
-----Original Message----- From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of rhugga Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:59 PM To: VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Best way to do ESXi 4.1 backup by Veritas Netbackup.
Well I know with 7.x you can now use the vstorage API. I'm just scratching the surface on this myself and plan on moving to this method once I upgrade to 7.1. From what I have gathered so far:
1) You deploy a "vmware backup host" which is basically just a window machine with an enterprise client license. (I think if you have a windows media server this can be piggy-backed onto an existing media server) 2) From there the backup host communicates with the ESX servers directly and integrates with the snapshot capabilities and pulls the data directly from the ESX servers. You no longer need clients in the VM guests. (if you were going that route before) 3) This provides granular file restore for windows and linux clients. (linux as of 7.1) Still no granular file restore from solaris from what I have gathered.
I've heard mixed results from people using this but overall it seems orders of magnitude better than the older VCB method. If your ESX datastores are on SAN there are some even better methods of backing of your vmware environments. Unfortunately we are on NAS at my current shop.
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