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Re: [Veritas-bu] Remommended maximum # of drives per media server.

2009-07-20 23:22:27
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Remommended maximum # of drives per media server.
From: Boris Kraizman <sysadminzone AT gmail DOT com>
To: Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:19:11 -0400
Hello,

I have 8 tape drives shared between the master-media server and two other media servers, then at the second site within the same domain, I have 10 tape drives, 3 lto2 and 7 lto3 shared between two media servers. Each media host has two HBA cards, I just upgraded from 2Gb HBA cards to 4Gb HBA cards, as I also run the disk based staging backups thru the same HBAs. I can see some improvements on the speed for the tape drive when the maximum number of the tape drives used. I also run the NDMP backups from Celerras filers and those backups run at 70-80 Mb/s, 70Mb/s thru the windows media server and 80mb/s thru the UNIX media backup server. I have teamed 1Gb network ports on the media servers, then 2Gb per port, but just for these two media servers at the second site. I use the backup VLAN for the primary site with 1Gb at the moment, I plan to team NICs on the UNIX media server where I have quad port card, and then I will be able to run more backups on the primary VLAN as well, and the NDMP thru the same network path. I have 4 tape drives per fabric path at the moment, then I could not utilize the full speed of LTO3 tape drives with 2Gb hba cards, now it should be aligned. I use the storage groups and multiplexing as well to get better load balance and utilization. I have ~300 backup clients with 40Tb in full, 7Tb daily. And I run the small backups to the disk staging areas, then even better utilization of the tape drives. It works well for me.

Hope it helps.

Boris

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com> wrote:
Hi,

When I used to use NDMP I had one media server (i did not setup the
initial environment) but the way it was setup is there was one media
server with LTO-2 drives that were attached to the netapp/toaster), SSO
was not used in the environment, nor were any fiber switches, this is a
waste of two drives in the big picture, but this environment was
specifically setup to backup this netapp/toaster unit.

Do you have a lot of netapp filers? Do you use SSO?

Justin.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, Clooney, David wrote:

> Thanks Justin
>
> Very useful info, however I was thinking more along the lines of a NBU
> limitation as a lot of the drives we are configuring are in fact
> filer/NDMP based drives and the overheads will be on the filer.
>
> Regards
>
> David Clooney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Piszcz [mailto:jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com]
> Sent: 20 July 2009 12:42
> To: Clooney, David
> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Remommended maximum # of drives per media
> server.
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> That depends on how much throughput you can drive through the
> motherboard/network/disk.
>
> LTO-3 = 90MiB/s for compressed data
> LTO-4 = 120MiB/s for compressed data
>
> (when rating, people usually rate for 180MiB/s and 240MiB/s to account
> for
> 2:1 compression)
>
> So if you have 10 gigabit ethernet (or) a fast disk array, you need to
> make sure there is enough bandwidth (today, PCI-e lanes) on the
> motherboard to handle how many drives you plan on putting in a server.
>
> This is just my opinion:
>
> Minimum drives per media server: 2 (to faciliate a restore incase one
> drive goes down and you are not using the FORCE_RESTORE media server
> directive).
>
> LTO-2 = 2 drives per server (hp dl38[0-5]* class + 1gbps)
> LTO-3 = 4 drives per server (same class + 10gbps)
> LTO-4 = 3-4 drives per server (if same class of hw + 10gbps)
>
> What kind of configuration(s) does everyone here use? How many drives
> per
> media server?
>
> Justin.
>
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009, Clooney, David wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know the symantec maximum number of recommended drives per
>> media server?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
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