I misspoke. I said "forum" but I meant "list". I've never been to the
forum site - only get the email. However, I suspect what you've
written explains what I'm seeing on the "list".
I certainly wouldn't want to avoid the anti-spam measures so I'll live
with the asynchronous posts.
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Curtis
Preston
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:03 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Mailing list replies before questions?
Jeff,
Your said you saw them on the forum first. I think this is a side
effect of the human anti-spam filter I have on the forum, which is
applied to the first post of any new user. That, coupled with the fact
that a number of you are viewing and responding to posts VIA the forum
is why this is happening.
Here's what happens:
1. A first-time user posts his/her first message to the forum
2. I'm sent the notification that activates the human spam filter
3. One or more of you see the post on the forum interface and respond to
it
4. Your reply isn't your first post so it gets forwarded to the list
5. I see the original message and authorize it
6. The original message is then forwarded to the list
Does that make sense? There are a few ways to make this problem go
away:
* Turn off the forum interface
(which hundreds of you are apparently enjoying)
* Turn off the so-far foolproof anti-spam system
* Have one or more of you volunteer to assist me with moderation
If anyone is curious about the latter, it currently means anywhere from
0-5 emails a day. You would need to follow the link in the email to the
moderation control panel, log in, review the message to verify it's not
SPAM, and accept or reject it appropriately. All it would take is one
or two people who are a little more home-bodied than me (I travel
constantly which often introduces very long delays on the approval
process.)
Anyone interested?
---
W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-
> bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Lightner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:01 AM
> To: A Darren Dunham; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Mailing list replies before questions?
>
> Just to be clear.
>
> I wasn't talking about messages I'd sent and wanted replies on but
> rather messages others had sent. Often I see replies to the emails
> others have sent long before I see the original message.
>
> Interestingly enough the message that started this thread did not fall
> into that category. It showed up in the forum before the first reply.
>
> It isn't clear to me how "batching" would make a difference unless the
> batches are sending out the emails in alphabetical order of sender
> rather than time order of send. If it was alphabetical (or even
> geographical) on receiver then I should still get the first email in
an
> earlier batch than the reply which would presumably come in a later
> batch.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of A
Darren
> Dunham
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:39 PM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Mailing list replies before questions?
>
> On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 11:05:11AM -0600, Mark.Donaldson AT cexp DOT com
wrote:
> > Are any of you gray-listing your inbound mail? That can make weird
> > arrival-order behavior.
>
> Not in my case, but I suppose the list software doesn't regard
> minimizing latency on sending mails. I assume it batches things over
a
> long time.
>
> Since the day I joined I've received email replies to posts long
before
> I see it on the list in my mailbox. I'm usually 20-30 minutes behind.
> I haven't seen any changes in this over the years.
>
> Received: from mailman.eng.auburn.edu ([131.204.12.57])
> by relay.taos.com with ESMTP; 09 Apr 2008 10:25:38 -0700
> Received: from mailman.eng.auburn.edu (mailman@localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by mailman.eng.auburn.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with
> ESMTP id m39H5LO1007656;
> Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:05:28 -0500
> Received: from mx02.cexp.com (mx02.cexp.com [170.131.136.83])
> by mailman.eng.auburn.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with
> ESMTP id
> m39H5IPv007651
> for <VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>; Wed, 9 Apr 2008
> 12:05:18 -0500
>
> (So right about 20 minutes for this one).
>
> I don't know that I've ever seen out-out-order posts from the listerv,
> but direct email replies can make it appear that way.
>
> --
> Darren Dunham
ddunham AT taos DOT com
> Senior Technical Consultant TAOS
http://www.taos.com/
> Got some Dr Pepper? San Francisco, CA bay
area
> < This line left intentionally blank to confuse you. >
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