Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy ComponentsfromALL

Yea, that's the one!

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W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

-----Original Message-----
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:45 PM
To: Curtis Preston; Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


Status 71 - None of the Files exist Curtis :-) !

Reading this thread, there seems to be either a lack of understand on
the
imporantance of Shadow Copy Components. My recommendation is that you
leave
well alone. If you do A_L_Drives, then a Win2k3 box WILL include this by
default. If your policy is configured for C:, E:, F: ect then its NOT
included.

We had a site that EXCLUDED Shadow Copy Components for their AD
Servers....... And then wondered why they could not be restored !

It should NOT cause a failure if you have your environment configured
correctly. For example, all my Win2k3 Servers are in a specific policy.
If
you "mix and match" Win2k3 servers with a Win2k server in the same
policy,
then you will get failures. This is because VSS is not known by Windows
2000
or NT. 

If you are asking for VSS to be turned off (or disabled on the client),
then
its asking for trouble.

Also, in case it was not mentioned, from the Master Server, goto Host
Properties, click on the master, then right click your master server
name
and goto Properties.

>>From the Client Attributes Tab, you can add a client name (say Client1)
and
then click on the tab called Windows Open File Backup. From here you can
configure if Netbackup uses the Veritas VSP or Microsoft Shadow Copy
Service). If its unticked, it will not be used.

But remember, even if this is NOT ticked, the Shadow Copy Component
contians
critical system and registry files for the Win2k3 Servers. Therefore it
is
needed.

May I suggest you read this...
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/272538.htm and this
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/271828.htm although would hope
the
2nd does not apply to you now :-)

HTH - sorry if there is a duplication here on previous posts, but gotta
dash
!


Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: Simon.Weaver AT Astrium.eads DOT net



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Curtis
Preston
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:26 AM
To: Conner, Neil; Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy
ComponentsfromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?


That hasn't been my experience.  If you configure a drive F: and there
isn't
an F:, you get a job that fails with "no such drive."  I don't like
failures.

My opinion is that ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES is a good thing, and backing up an
extra
GB or too is a small price to pay.  The risk of what happens when you
DON'T
use it outweighs the value you're gaining by skipping those few GB.  200
clients backing up 2 extra GB = one tape ($75).  Big deal. Not having a
backup for a drive you need because you forgot to include it?  That's a
whole lot more than $75.  That could be an RPE (resume producing event).

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W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Conner,
Neil
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Justin Piszcz
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components
fromALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Don't use ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES then.

Specify C: D: E: ... instead.  List all the drives possibly in use for
all
the clients in the policy - clients with fewer drives configured won't
complain.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Justin
Piszcz
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:24 PM
To: Curtis Preston
Cc: Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components
from
ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?

Already tried to exclude Shadow Copy Components:\ and System_State:\ no
go 
for either, its not needed in my environment, is 1-3GB and sometimes 
causes failures with various clients, its a waste of time/resources and
it 
will never be needed.  I have never had any luck excluding it though.


On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Curtis Preston wrote:

> OH!  That's not what you said...
>
> So you want an exclude pattern to exclude the registry.  Not sure if
you
> can do that.
>
> Another question is: why?  It's not that big.
>
> ---
> W. Curtis Preston
> Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
> VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Piszcz [mailto:jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:20 PM
> To: Curtis Preston
> Cc: Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
> edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components 
> from ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?
>
> I want to exclude the registry backup for all Windows Backups.
>
> Justin.
>
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Curtis Preston wrote:
>
>> But don't you WANT shadow copy to run?  It's now the official way to
> get
>> a stable image of a running drive, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> What extra stuff is getting backed up that you want to exclude,
> Justin?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> W. Curtis Preston
>>
>> Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
>>
>> VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>> [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of 
>> Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:04 PM
>> To: Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com
>> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components 
>> from ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Shadow Copy Components:\ will not be backed up if Volume Shadow Copy 
>> service is disabled.
>>
>> With ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES as backup selection, NetBackup calls the VSC 
>> service to create the Shadow Copy Components:\.  When the service is 
>> disabled, Shadow Copy Components:\ cannot be created therefore it is
> not
>> backed up.
>>
>> Jared M. Seaton
>> Recovery Administrator
>> Mylan Laboratories Inc.
>> 304-554-5926
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jared M Seaton/MGW/MYLAN
>>
>> 07/24/2007 04:52 PM
>>
>> To
>>
>> "Justin Piszcz" <jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com>
>>
>> cc
>>
>> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>
>> Subject
>>
>> Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components from 
>> ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?Link
>>
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>>
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>>
>> There will be no errors for the backup job, but in the Event Viewer
> you
>> will see an error that Volume Shadow Copy service was trying to start

>> but that it is disabled and cannot start.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jared M. Seaton
>> Recovery Administrator
>> Mylan Laboratories Inc.
>> 304-554-5926
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Justin Piszcz" <jpiszcz AT lucidpixels DOT com>
>> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>
>> 07/24/2007 04:48 PM
>>
>> To
>>
>> Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com
>>
>> cc
>>
>> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>
>> Subject
>>
>> Re: [Veritas-bu] Possible to exclude Shadow Copy Components from 
>> ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Will that fail backups or will it skip the Shadow Copy Components?
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, Jared.Seaton AT mylanlabs DOT com wrote:
>>
>>> You could completely disable the Volume Shadow Copy service on the
>> Windows
>>> client if you don't want Shadow Copy Components:\
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Justin Piszcz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Justin Piszcz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> We set ALL_LOCAL_DRIVES for all of our Windows hosts and let the
>>> Windows
>>>>> ADMINS take care of the include/exclude list and then it can be
>> changed
>>> on
>>>>> their side whenever necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to EXCLUDE the Shadow Copy Components?
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=21&message.id=
>> 33230
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying this now but it appears it might not work with a 5.1MP4

>>>> client?
>>>>
>>>> Justin.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone here get this working with 5.1MP4?
>>>
>>>
>>> Jared M. Seaton
>>> Recovery Administrator
>>> Mylan Laboratories Inc.
>>> 304-554-5926
>>>
>>>
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