My point was to challenge the blatant statement.  We can all opine and many had 
long before his post was made.   I just saw no reason why we should accept that 
statement as the "fact" without some sort of support - hence my ironic question 
about divination.

You say they're only giving you 5 months but I don't know where you got that.  
6.0 has been out much longer than that.   

Personally I don't claim to "know" when 5.1 will be EOLed.  I know what 
Datalink told us but they could be as wrong as everyone else.   It just seems 
pointless to me not to move forward once 6.0 is mostly stable which by all 
accounts it is with MP4.  Sticking one's head in the sand isn't going to make 
6.x go away and as I previously wrote waiting for "new features and fixes" in 
6.5 is waiting for vaporware which I've never thought was a good idea for many 
reasons including the possibility they won't materialize.

If your environment is totally static and your 5.1 (or even 3.4) is working for 
you and you can handle everything that comes up without calling the vendor 
don't move ahead.  If, however, you work in shops that do actually add new 
systems and technology from time to time it makes sense to plan for moving 
ahead or at least be sure you know exactly what it is that prevents moving 
ahead.   Here we know we're going to do Data Domain soon and we'd rather have 
6.0 in our environment before that so we can know what changes were introduced 
by 6.0 and which were later introduced by Data Domain.

There was a time I had the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mindset.  What I've 
learned however is that you often find yourself painted into corners when you 
didn't take newer patches or distributions and suddenly have a pressing 
business need to get more recent technology going.   You end up having to 
upgrade EVERYTHING rather than just adding the technology you want.  It is bad 
enough when the business imposes restrictions that keep you from moving ahead 
but even worse when professional administrators become the roadblocks 
themselves.

-----Original Message-----
From: WEAVER, Simon (external) [mailto:simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:57 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; smpt; Scott Jacobson; Paul Keating; VERITAS-BU at 
mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


Jeff
Well think about it ..... Most companies announce end of life for a product
and normally give 12 - 18 months!

If what you are saying is right, then Symantec are giving us 5 MONTHS to
change ???

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email: Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:jlightner at water.com] 
Sent: 16 May 2007 21:20
To: smpt; Scott Jacobson; WEAVER, Simon (external); Paul Keating;
VERITAS-BU at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


And you know this through divination maybe?

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of smpt
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Scott Jacobson; Simon (external) WEAVER; 'Paul Keating'; 
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support


the end of support for 5.x will not be sooner than 12/2008


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Scott Jacobson <SJACOBSO at novell.com>
>  Subject: [Veritas-bu] 5.1 Oct 2007 End of Support
>  Sent: 14 May '07 21:02
>  
>  I also believe 5.1 MP4+ is the most rock solid product I've run (less 
> DSSU
>  issues) and would prefer to stay on that version and not be forced
between
>  choosing either 6.0 MP4+ or 6.5 GA
>  
>  
>  I would suggest for those in the group who are also wanting to wait 
> for  6.5 MP1+ to contact their Veritas/Symantec SE/Account Mgr's and 
> let them  know as a customer you're being placed between a rock and a 
> hard place in  terms of migration choices.
>  
>  
>  In talking with my former RTAM and current local Symantec SE, I'm 
> starting  to hear they maybe considering the Oct 2007 date as a "soft" 
> and not a hard  date.
>  
>  
>  Now maybe the time to put our voices behind this and tell them Oct 
> 2007  end of support for 5.1 is unacceptable.
>  
>  
>  Scott
>  
>  
>  >>> "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net> 
> 5/14/2007  8:47 AM >>>
>  
>  
>  Bit gutted really as I have personally found 5.1 to be rock solid 
> here at  both my sites!
>  
>  
>  Guess 6.5 is coming sooner than expected now then !?
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net]
>  Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  FROM: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] ON BEHALF OF Paul  
> Keating
>  SENT: 14 May 2007 15:42
>  TO: VERITAS-BU at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 
> MP4to6.0  MP4
>  
>  
>  [LINK:  
> http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCent
> er/279039.pdf]
>
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_DataCenter/279
039.pdf
>  
>  
>  --
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  FROM: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] ON BEHALF OF 
> WEAVER,  Simon (external)
>  SENT: May 14, 2007 9:59 AM
>  TO: 'Forester, Jack L'; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  SUBJECT: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 
> MP4to6.0  MP4
>  
>  
>  can I have confirmation of this please or a web site or link ??
>  
>  
>  Regards
>  
>  Simon Weaver
>  3rd Line Technical Support
>  Windows Domain Administrator
>  
>  _EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)_
>  Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>  
>  Email: [LINK: mailto:Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net]
>  Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net
>  
>  
>
============================================================================
========
>  La version fran?aise suit le texte anglais.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>  This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and
the
>  Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use,
or
>  copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the
>  intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error
>  please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender
>  promptly by email that you have done so.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>  Le pr?sent courriel peut contenir de l'information privil?gi?e ou
>  confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y
>  rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des
>  renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les
>  destinataires d?sign?s est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par
>  erreur, veuillez le supprimer imm?diatement et envoyer sans d?lai 
>  l'exp?diteur un message ?lectronique pour l'aviser que vous avez
>  ?limin? de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel re?u.
>  
>  This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential 
> and/or  privileged information or information otherwise protected from 
> disclosure.  If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the 
> sender  immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and 
> do not use it  for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, 
> but delete this  message and any attachments from your system. Astrium 
> disclaims any and  all liability if this email transmission was virus 
> corrupted, altered or  falsified.
>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259  
> Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 
> 2AS,  England
>  
>  --------------------  _______________________________________________
>  Veritas-bu maillist  -  [LINK:
>  compose.php?to=Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu]
>  Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>  [LINK: http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu]
>  http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
_______________________________________________
Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu

This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or 
privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If 
you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do 
not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or 
disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments 
from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email 
transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England