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[Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility (WEAVER, Simon (external))

2007-04-11 18:29:04
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility (WEAVER, Simon (external))
From: KAbdelrahman at verisign.com (Abdelrahman, Karim)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:29:04 -0400
 
Simon,
I think the system used for restore has to be in list of server to
access the master server.

-K
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility (WEAVER, Simon (external))
   2. Re: Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility (WEAVER, Simon (external))
   3. Virtual Tape library or backup to disk (Sixbury, Dan)
   4. Re: Virtual Tape library or backup to disk (Clem Kruger (C))
   5. Re: Virtual Tape library or backup to disk
      (Martin, Jonathan (Contractor))
   6. bpdbjobs displays month number only in date fields
      (tim.lane at accenture.com)
   7. NetBackup 5.1 and Maintainance Pack 6 (Boris Kraizman)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:24:26 +0100
From: "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility
To: "'Paul Keating'" <pkeating at bank-banque-canada.ca>,
        Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
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Hi Paul
By rights, I mean 2 domain Administrator accounts - my domain Admin
account and someone elses Domain Admin account.

There is no auth.conf file in use, and I do not recall ever setting one
up !
In fact, had a search for the file and could not even find it !

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net>
Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Keating [mailto:pkeating at bank-banque-canada.ca]
Sent: 11 April 2007 14:03
To: Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility


what do you mean by "same rights as myself" ?
Windows admin rights? or Netbackup admin rights?

Does the Windows admin GUI use the auth.conf? (I don't use Netbackup on
Windows, so I don't know) If so, have you configure the proper
authorizations?


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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon (external)
Sent: April 11, 2007 2:13 AM
To: 'd w'; 'Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility


He was logged into the Master Server. The attempt was to restore a
single file to a client. The restore was to the same client, but it was
the issue over the 3rd TAB that I had a query over.

2 Accounts can see this tab, one being mine. If someone else logs on
with the same rights as myself, perform the same process, they do not
see the 3rd TAB that states "Destination Clients".

Its not the end of the world, but it would be nice to know why I can see
it, another account can see it, yet no one else can.

And the account used was a Domain Admin account!

As a test, I logged into the machine with my account, launch the Admin
Console, chose Backup, Archive, Restore, selected FILE / Specify
NetBackup Machines & Policy Type and a small Window appears. The 3 tabs
I see are "Servers", "Source Clients / Policy Type" and finally
"Destination Clients".

Now, logging into the same master server, with a Domain Admin account,
perform the same steps as above, I get the same small window, however
the difference being is the present of just 2 tabs labelled "Servers"
and "Clients / Policy Type". Thats it !

So ... I am just trying to work out why my 2 accounts show a
difference.....
and I cannot quite understand why !

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:26:52 +0100
From: "WEAVER, Simon (external)" <simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility
To: "'d w'" <comp_geek_gal at yahoo.com>,
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hi Mate
Yes, just mentioned to Paul, that file is not present on any master /
media server.
 
Im running nbu 5.1 - but I found a technote, which describes my problem,
but relates to the Java Console only!
 
In this case, its the Master Server that the issue seems to be appearing
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net>
Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net

-----Original Message-----
From: d w [mailto:comp_geek_gal at yahoo.com]
Sent: 11 April 2007 14:18
To: WEAVER, Simon (external); veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] RE: Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility


Simon,
  You might want to check to see if you have your domain account
configured
properly in the auth.conf file.
 
  See page 506 of the NetBackup 6.0 Administration Guide for Windows vol
1.

 
Hope that helps.
 


"WEAVER, Simon (external)" <simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net> wrote:

He was logged into the Master Server. The attempt was to restore a
single
file to a client. The restore was to the same client, but it was the
issue
over the 3rd TAB that I had a query over.
 
2 Accounts can see this tab, one being mine. If someone else logs on
with
the same rights as myself, perform the same process, they do not see the
3rd
TAB that states "Destination Clients".
 
Its not the end of the world, but it would be nice to know why I can see
it,
another account can see it, yet no one else can.
 
And the account used was a Domain Admin account!
 
As a test, I logged into the machine with my account, launch the Admin
Console, chose Backup, Archive, Restore, selected FILE / Specify
NetBackup
Machines & Policy Type and a small Window appears. The 3 tabs I see are
"Servers", "Source Clients / Policy Type" and finally "Destination
Clients".
 
Now, logging into the same master server, with a Domain Admin account,
perform the same steps as above, I get the same small window, however
the
difference being is the present of just 2 tabs labelled "Servers" and
"Clients / Policy Type". Thats it !
 
So ... I am just trying to work out why my 2 accounts show a
difference.....
and I cannot quite understand why !
 
Regards
Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 
EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net>
Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net

-----Original Message-----
From: d w [mailto:comp_geek_gal at yahoo.com] 
Sent: 11 April 2007 03:07
To: Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] RE: Odd Question - NBU BAR Utility


Most likely the reason that your admin was unable to chose a destination
client was because he was logged into the client vs. a master or media
server.  

By default NetBackup will not allow clients to restore information to
other
clients (that's a security measure - you wouldn't want just anyone to
have
the ability to restore anything anywhere).

If an admin logs into a client system, unless the client is specified a
in
the server list, it will never be authorized to run restores of anything
but
it's own data.  

There is a section in the Admin Guide about setting up exceptions for
this
rule.  On Unix the file is "No.restrictions" - I think it has a similar
name/fuction on windows (just check the index of the windows guide for
that
file name...)

Now that will limit users to the ability of restoring other machines
data to
itself, but will not allow that machine to restore to anything but the
local
client.

Short story - if you want your admin to have rights to restore anywhere
-
have him log into an administrative account on the master server.

The only other reason I have ever seen that tab grayed out was if there
was
a reverse hostname lookup issue to the machine starting the interface.





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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:04:27 -0500
From: "Sixbury, Dan" <dsixbury at hrblock.com>
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Virtual Tape library or backup to disk
To: <veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu>
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Does anyone have any recommendations in regards to VTLs or disk pools,
etc. for backup?  I have seen a lot of stuff on the market, but I have
also heard where some people have found out later that some of the
technologies don't always work as smoothly as their slated. i.e. one
solution I have seen takes all of your data and compresses it into block
level format on a separate device, but if you want to restore the data
or back it up to tape, you have to first uncompress it to a readable
format and then copy to tape.  

Thanks.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:34:09 +0200
From: "Clem Kruger \(C\)" <KrugerC2 at telkom.co.za>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Virtual Tape library or backup to disk
To: "Sixbury, Dan" <dsixbury at hrblock.com>,
        <veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu>
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Good day Dan,

 

My personal recommendation would be to stay away from any VTL and
rather use the DISK to DISK to tape feature which is part of version 6
of NetBackup and even stronger in 6.1. The Veritas (Symantec API) has
been released and is currently being included in most of the hardware
vendors. See the attached link.

 

The one thing that really has me worried is that VTL's emulate a
library and tapes and are subject to those rules. There is also an
issue as far as compressing is concerned as this is generally done by
the VTL's operating system and slows down your backups dramatically.
Many other rules change as VTL's generally require a single stream per
tape. You are also liable to pay for tape drive licenses etc.

 

http://searchstorage.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid5_gci1
229879,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Clem Kruger

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Sixbury, Dan
Sent: 11 April 2007 16:04 PM
To: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Virtual Tape library or backup to disk

 

Does anyone have any recommendations in regards to VTLs or disk pools,
etc. for backup?  I have seen a lot of stuff on the market, but I have
also heard where some people have found out later that some of the
technologies don't always work as smoothly as their slated. i.e. one
solution I have seen takes all of your data and compresses it into
block level format on a separate device, but if you want to restore
the data or back it up to tape, you have to first uncompress it to a
readable format and then copy to tape.  

Thanks. 



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:49:37 -0400
From: "Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)" <JMARTI05 at intersil.com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Virtual Tape library or backup to disk
To: "Sixbury, Dan" <dsixbury at hrblock.com>,
        <veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu>
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I recently spent several months looking at disk technologies.  Just
generally speaking here I found that Disk Based Backups (DSU/DSSUs) are
pretty young in Netbackup and there's quite a few issues that have to be
monitored and maintained to make them work correctly.  That aside, you
can't beat the price per GB/TB for raw disk storage versus a VTL.  From
a management perspective, VTLs I think are easier because media
management is so well defined in Netbackup.  I've got several Perl
scripts I use to manage my DSSUs but everything I need for media is
right there in the GUI.
 
As far as compression and block level conversion to different formats
etc I think you may be getting a few crossed signals.  I've heard quite
a few issues with older VTLs especially when people try and duplicate
their tapes onto VTLs.  I'd check with your hardware vendor, but as best
I can tell all those issues were on the "bleeding edge."
 
-Jonathan
 
 

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Dan
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:04 AM
To: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Virtual Tape library or backup to disk



Does anyone have any recommendations in regards to VTLs or disk pools,
etc. for backup?  I have seen a lot of stuff on the market, but I have
also heard where some people have found out later that some of the
technologies don't always work as smoothly as their slated. i.e. one
solution I have seen takes all of your data and compresses it into block
level format on a separate device, but if you want to restore the data
or back it up to tape, you have to first uncompress it to a readable
format and then copy to tape.  

Thanks. 

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:33:05 +0200
From: <tim.lane at accenture.com>
Subject: [Veritas-bu] bpdbjobs displays month number only in date
        fields
To: <veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu>
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Hi,
 
I have recently upgraded a number of Solaris-based NetBackup
installations to version 5.1MP6.  Subsequent to the upgrades, the
"Started" and "Ended" columns of the "bpdbjobs" output display the month
number only.
 
 
# grep BPDBJOBS_COLDEFS bp.conf
BPDBJOBS_COLDEFS = JOBID
BPDBJOBS_COLDEFS = STARTED
BPDBJOBS_COLDEFS = ELAPSED
BPDBJOBS_COLDEFS = ENDED
# bpdbjobs | head
JobID Start   Elapsed Ended
26469    04 000:09:23    04
26468    04 000:05:06    04
26467    04 002:09:20    04
26466    04 000:04:03    04
26465    04 000:08:01    04
26464    04 000:03:55    04
26463    04 001:05:48    04
26462    04 001:03:45    04
26461    04 001:00:59    04

 
Has anybody seen (and fixed) these symptoms?
 
Cheers,
Tim Lane.
 


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:39:03 -0400
From: "Boris Kraizman" <sysadminzone at gmail.com>
Subject: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 5.1 and Maintainance Pack 6
To: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
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Dear All,

Now, it is my turn again to ask for some help. I just applied MP6 for
our
NetBackup 5.1MP5, just for master and all media servers, and today after
night backups, I can see a few jobs still running, the backup speed for
a
few fat  backup clients dropped drastically. Does anybody know any
issues
with backup speeding after deploying MP6?

Thanks a lot!

Boris
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