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[Veritas-bu] Multiplexing

2006-07-31 05:19:11
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
From: chris at fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk (Chris Freemantle)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:19:11 +0100
If it's within your required parameters, then it's OK.
It's obviously and trivially true that restoring from mulitplexed 
tapes is slower, because the drive has to read data that's not 
required to get to the data that is. If this is still fast enough, 
then there's no problem.

We multiplex tapes up to the maximum, and typically end up with 
restores spread over several tapes. Currently the restore speed has 
been within our acceptable limits, however we have only so far been 
requested to restore to one machine at a time. If there comes a time 
when we have to restore multiple clients 'simultaneously' we may be 
in for an unacceptable wait. As far as I know, Netbackup (5.1) only 
demuliplexes one stream at a time, so if you have restores to several 
machines from the same 'archive', it will read the tape multiple 
times.

It is not always practical to use disc staging either. Our full 
backup will be about 25TB. That much disc would cost an unacceptably 
large amount money. Of course, incrementals are much more amenable to 
disc staging because they are smaller.

just my (obvious) 2 penneth worth.

At 8:26 am +0100 31/7/06, WEAVER, Simon wrote:
>Stuart
>I will believe what "I" have seen, and the restores for the 2 SAN Media
>Servers are absolutely well within limits of restoring data. We run an
>extremely fast backbone, so I have no problems with the configuration in
>place.
>
>
>Regards
>
>Simon Weaver
>3rd Line Technical Support
>Windows Domain Administrator
>
>EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>
>Email: Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liddle, Stuart [mailto:liddles at amgen.com]
>Sent: 31 July 2006 07:59
>To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Mansell, Richard'; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
>
>
>Simon,
>
>Fine....believe what you want....but the numbers don't lie. 
>
>If you ever try any testing of this you will see that  restores are
>significantly faster when you do them from non-multiplexed tapes.
>
>--stuart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver at astrium.eads.net]
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:45 PM
>To: 'Liddle, Stuart'; 'Mansell, Richard'; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
>
>
>Stuart
>Completely disagree - we get the best of both worlds and restores have never
>been any real issue for us, even large amounts of data across multiple
>tapes.
>
>Regards
>
>Simon Weaver
>3rd Line Technical Support
>Windows Domain Administrator
>
>EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>
>Email: Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Liddle, Stuart [mailto:liddles at amgen.com]
>Sent: 28 July 2006 19:37
>To: WEAVER, Simon; 'Mansell, Richard'; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
>
>
>That's good for backup speeds, but it sucks for restores.  Unless all of
>your clients have really slow network connections, having a high
>multiplexing value is not really a good idea.
>
>You might want to consider dropping the multiplexing down to something like
>6. 
>
>Our configuration uses VTL's to our first backup copy and then I use vault
>to put it to physical tape.  I multiplex to the VTL and single-stream to the
>physical tapes.  Once it is on the physical tape, we have a script that will
>bpexpdate the copy 1 image on the VTL (this is not an automatic option in
>NetBackup until version 6.x).
>
>When you do a restore from a physical tape, you have a single-stream copy
>and not one that is multiplexed....this makes for a faster restore.
>
>--stuart
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
>Simon
>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:22 PM
>To: 'Mansell, Richard'; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
>
>
>Richard
>Yes I use multiplexing a lot
>
>NBU 5.1 Master MP2 + 2 SAN Media Servers
>
>4 drives in a robot - using SSO
>
>1 Storage Unit set to multiplex 25 jobs per drive (Master)
>2 SAN Storage Units set to use 2 drives, multiplex 8 per drive
>
>Seems to work - get a lot of jobs done - around 300 per night if that helps.
>
>Regards
>
>Simon Weaver
>3rd Line Technical Support
>Windows Domain Administrator
>
>EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU
>
>Email: Simon.Weaver at Astrium-eads.net
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mansell, Richard [mailto:Richard.Mansell at ccc.govt.nz]
>Sent: 27 July 2006 22:31
>To: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>Subject: [Veritas-bu] Multiplexing
>
>
>
>We are struggling to get all of the backups run during the backup window and
>one of the obvious solutions is to start using multiplexing as the tape
>drives are not being driven at any where near their maximum throughput.
>There has been a rather nasty multiplexing problem fixed in 6.0 MP3 but I
>would be interested to do a straw poll of how many people are using
>multiplexing and if possible any issues encountered.
>
>I would appreciate it if you would respond (off list) as to whether you use
>multiplexing or not (any version of NetBackup). I will summarise the results
>and post back to the list.
>
>Regards
>
>Richard
>
>
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