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I can blame my keyboard today for the mistakes below, it's a loaner:
s/ tries to reverse / tries to reverse that change /
s/ untouched, but / untouched, by /
I now return you to your regularly scheduled list.
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Donaldson,
Mark
- Broomfield, CO
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:28 AM
To: pkeating AT bank-banque-canada DOT ca; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT
edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] interesting behaviour with NDMP and NFS backups
The touch that netbackup does during backups is to reset the atime (last
access time) value of the file backed up. When you read a file for any
reason, including backups, the OS sets the atime to the current time. NB
tries to reverse, so your filesystem appears to be untouched, but reading
the atime, backing up the file, and then setting the atime back to initial
value.
If you've got a read-only filesystem, the third step fails (which is OK,
since the atime was read-only in the first place and wasn't altered by the
backup). The message is annoying, though.
The constant writes to modify atime is a performance problem, though, on an
NFS r/w mounted filesystem.
-M
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Paul Keating
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:20 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] interesting behaviour with NDMP and NFS backups
Discovered something in the lab that I found interesting...
if I back up a NAS via NDMP (level 0), then do a FULL backup of the same
unix style QTree, via NFS, a few hours later.
subsequent level 1 NDMP backups backup *almost* the entire QTree.
It seems as if the NFS backup tweaks each file enough that the Level 1 NDMP
dump sees it as new/modified.
Not really interesting I suppose, in that it's pretty obvious that NBU is
touching files (try doing an NFS backup of a RO FS.).
Just something I noticed and thought I'd throw out there for anyone who
happens to be doing both (for whatever reason) and theought there would be
no interdependancy.
Paul
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<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I can
blame my keyboard today for the mistakes below, it's a
loaner:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>s/
tries to reverse / tries to reverse that change /</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>s/
untouched, but / untouched, by /</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=830160317-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I now
return you to your regularly scheduled list.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Donaldson,
Mark - Broomfield, CO<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:28
AM<BR><B>To:</B> pkeating AT bank-banque-canada DOT ca;
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu]
interesting behaviour with NDMP and NFS backups<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
touch that netbackup does during backups is to reset the atime (last access
time) value of the file backed up. When you read a file for any reason,
including backups, the OS sets the atime to the current time. NB tries
to reverse, so your filesystem appears to be untouched, but reading the
atime,
backing up the file, and then setting the atime back to initial
value.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>If
you've got a read-only filesystem, the third step fails (which is OK, since
the atime was read-only in the first place and wasn't altered by the
backup). The message is annoying, though.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
constant writes to modify atime is a performance problem, though, on an NFS
r/w mounted filesystem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=453130716-14022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>-M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Paul
Keating<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Veritas-bu]
interesting behaviour with NDMP and NFS backups<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Discovered
something in the lab that I found interesting...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>if I back
up a NAS via NDMP (level 0), then do a FULL backup of the same unix
style QTree, via NFS, a few hours later.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>subsequent
level
1 NDMP backups backup *almost* the entire QTree.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems as if
the NFS backup tweaks each file enough that the Level 1 NDMP dump sees it
as new/modified.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not really
interesting I suppose, in that it's pretty obvious that NBU is touching
files (try doing an NFS backup of a RO FS.).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just something
I
noticed and thought I'd throw out there for anyone who happens to be doing
both (for whatever reason) and theought there would be no
interdependancy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=969261413-14022006><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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