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Ok, We did open up a ticket with Veritas and they said going to MP4 would not
fix us it should work now but does fix some restore issues on domain
controllers. I guess we will look at testing/upgrading again.
But I am still wondering if you know of anything about how to restore a
system to different hardware ? namely a system that has a different RAID
controller than the original backup. Actually, with Backup Exec, I don?t think
there was that kind of documentation either. We learned our trick from Sungard
during our first test run with them. The trick goes like this:
- If the original server had an HP NetRAID 1M controller then the
driver restored from tape would be ?mraidnt.sys?. And if the new hardware was
a Compaq server with a Compaq Smart Array 5si controller, then the driver
already on the system would be ?cpqcissm.sys?.
- In this example, ?cpqcissm.sys? on the basic hardware install
would be copied and the copy renamed ?mraidnt.sys?. This would now allow the
restored registry to call the same file name so the system can load a working
RAID driver.
- During the restore, the ?mraidnt.sys? on the backup tape will be
excluded from restore. This way the restored system will be using a RAID
controller driver for the right hardware but it will have the name from the
original system that was backed up.
- When the system came back up, we would run a full install of the
normal RAID drivers to make sure everything functioned correctly from this
point forward.
This issue we have is that the ?system state? backup used to be drillable.
We could drill down in the backup file structure and exclude the driver file as
needed. Now with VSS, that is no longer possible. As we worked, we also found
that this practice even worked well for systems moving to the same hardware.
We had a much higher success rate of restoring systems when we were able to
exclude the following files: boot.ini, ntdetect.com, ntldr, and the RAID
controller driver (all these exclusions were recommended by Sungard from their
experience with restoring windows systems to different hardware). Only the
boot.ini file is NOT protected ? the rest of the files are so they would be in
that inaccessible VSS area. Even if the RAID controller driver is for the same
system, we still exclude it from the restore. That way, we are using the most
current driver (from the basic install of the system) for that RAID controller.
Following these steps has given us the highest success rate but if there is
something else we can try, we are more than willing to test it out. Thanks
again for your help
Andrew
"Spearman, David" <spe08 AT co.henrico.va DOT us> wrote:
Make sure you are at MP4 on the master/media and client. There was a
major bug regarding full restores to w2k3 that was fixed.
David Spearman IT
County of Henrico, Va.
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-admin
AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Johnson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:11 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgraded to 5.1 and full windows 2003 restores do not
work right?
We just upgraded from 4.5 to 5.1 and we tried to do some restores of 2003
servers like we did with 4.5 and are not having any luck. The current 5.1
client uses the volume shadow copy services (VSS) to do backups on Windows 2003
machines. We found that this makes things difficult when restoring a server ?
especially when restoring to different hardware because certain protected files
can no longer be selected/deselected as needed.
We just tested a restore of an entire system to the same hardware (we backed
the fully loaded system up, we wip! ed the system clean, we then installed the
base OS along with the backup client, and we finally ran the restore). The
result was a system that will not even get to the windows GINA before
bluescreening/rebooting continually.
Is there any documentation on best practices for restoring an entire windows
OS from scratch using NetBackup (as in a disaster recovery situation)?
Likewise, is there any documentation and/or recommendation on restoring an
entire system to different hardware? We have successfully done restores of
full systems from backups that still use the ?System State? method of
addressing protected files (instead of VSS). With that in mind, we would
prefer a solution using what we have without! having to investigate something
new like bare metal restores. Any direction you can offer would be most
appreciated.
R. Andrew Johnson
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<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ok, We did open up a ticket with
Veritas and they said going to MP4 would not fix us it should work now but does
fix some restore issues on domain controllers. I guess we will look at
testing/upgrading again.</SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I am still wondering if you know of anything about how
to restore a system to different hardware ? namely a system that has a
different RAID controller than the original backup. Actually, with Backup
Exec, I don?t think there was that kind of documentation either. We
learned our trick from Sungard during our first test run with them. The
trick
goes like this:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR:
navy">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If the original server had an HP NetRAID 1M
controller then the driver restored from tape would be ?mraidnt.sys?. And
if the new hardware was a Compaq server with a Compaq Smart Array 5si
controller, then the driver already on the system would be
?cpqcissm.sys?.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div>
<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR:
navy">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In this example, ?cpqcissm.sys? on the basic
hardware install would be copied and the copy renamed ?mraidnt.sys?. This
would now allow the restored registry to call the same file name so the system
can load a working RAID driver.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR:
navy">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">During the restore, the ?mraidnt.sys? on the
backup tape will be excluded from restore. This way the restored system
will be using a RAID controller driver for the right hardware but it will have
the name from the original system that was backed
up.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT:
0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR:
navy">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When the system came back up, we would run a
full install of the normal RAID drivers to make sure everything functioned
correctly from this point
forward.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This issue we have is that the ?system state? backup used
to be drillable. We could drill down in the backup file structure and
exclude the driver file as needed. Now with VSS, that is no longer
possible. As we worked, we also found that this practice even worked well
for systems moving to the same hardware. We had a much higher success
rate of restoring systems when we were able to exclude the following files:
boot.ini, ntdetect.com, ntldr, and the RAID controller driver (all these
exclusions were recommended by Sungard from their experience with restoring
windows systems to different hardware). Only the boot.ini file is NOT
protected ? the
rest of the files are so they would be in that inaccessible VSS area.
Even if the RAID controller driver is for the same system, we still exclude it
from the restore. That way, we are using the most current driver (from
the basic install of the system) for that RAID controller.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Following these steps has given us the highest success rate
but if there is something else we can try, we are more than willing to test it
out. Thanks again for your help </SPAN></FONT><BR></div> <div
class=MsoNormal> </div> <div class=MsoNormal>Andrew</div> <div
class=MsoNormal> </div> <div class=MsoNormal><BR><B><I>"Spearman, David"
<spe08 AT co.henrico.va DOT us></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE
class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff
2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <DIV><SPAN
class=401291016-22122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Make sure you
are at MP4 on the master/media and client. There was a major bug regarding full
restores to w2k3 that was fixed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN
class=401291016-22122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=401291016-22122005><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>David Spearman IT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=401291016-22122005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>County of Henrico, Va.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader
lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Andrew Johnson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:11
AM<BR><B>To:</B> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Veritas-bu] Upgraded to 5.1 and full windows 2003 restores do not work
right?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We just upgraded from 4.5 to 5.1
and we tried to do some restores of 2003 servers like we did with 4.5 and are
not having any luck. The current 5.1 client uses the volume shadow copy
services (VSS) to do backups on Windows 2003 machines. We found that this
makes things difficult when restoring a server ? especially when restoring to
different hardware because certain protected files can no longer be
selected/deselected as needed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We just
tested a restore of an entire system to the same hardware (we backed the fully
loaded system up, we wip! ed the system clean, we then installed the base OS
along with the backup client, and we finally ran the restore). The result
was a system that will not even get to the windows GINA before
bluescreening/rebooting continually.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is there any documentation on best practices for restoring
an entire windows OS from scratch using NetBackup (as in a disaster recovery
situation)? Likewise, is there any documentation and/or recommendation on
restoring an entire system to
different hardware? We have successfully done restores of full systems
from backups that still use the ?System State? method of addressing protected
files (instead of VSS). With that in mind, we would prefer a solution
using what we have without! having to investigate something new like bare metal
restores. Any direction you can offer would be most
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR><BR> <DIV><STRONG><FONT
size=3><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#ff0000>R.</FONT> <FONT
color=#0000ff>Andrew </FONT></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>Johnson<IMG
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