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[Veritas-bu] fill tapes full

2005-10-05 11:11:22
Subject: [Veritas-bu] fill tapes full
From: Charles Ballowe <cballowe AT gmail DOT com> (Charles Ballowe)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:11:22 -0500
That's alot of volume pools and policies for that number of clients.
It's also quite a few media servers for that size of robot.

What makes the different volume pools unique? In my environment, I
have 4 - Netbackup(catalog backups only in this one), onsite (tapes
that are kept onsite), offsite (copies of data that are shipped
offsite), and offsite_catalog (catalog backups that go offsite). The
only way I can see having many more than that is if you have multiple
types of media - but 34 is a bit on the extreme side. It might be
worth it to you to reduce down to a few with a clear designation on
why a piece of media would come from one rather than another.

Same goes for the number of policies - you have more policies than
clients, unless every client is running a database that needs special
attention - and unique special attention at that - 414 policies would
get difficult to manage.

The first place where you'll get gains is reducing the number of
volume pools. Take a closer look at WHY each of those pools exist.
Also - unless most of those media servers are SAN Media servers that
only back themselves up, try reducing the number of media servers that
you have. Maybe start with #of drives/2.

Remember, when a tape gets used by a media server - only jobs going
through that media server will go to that tape. When a tape is in a
volume pool, only jobs that use that volume pool can go to that tape.
If only 50G go through a media server in a night, and you've got that
split onto 3 or 4 volume pools, I'm not surprised at the low amounts
of data you're showing per tape.

On 10/5/05, bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr
<bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr> wrote:
> I have 34 volume pool ,414 policies, 184 clients,
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Ballowe [mailto:cballowe AT gmail DOT com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:11 PM
> To: BOGAC DAGDEVIR
> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] fill tapes full
>
> How many volume pools? How many clients? 414 policies, or 414 jobs?
>
> -Charlie
>
> On 10/5/05, bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr
> <bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr> wrote:
> > i am late sorry, but i am alone on my job I have 1 master 18 media
> > server with 1 stk-l700 library and running 414 policies every night ,
> > i use multiplexing only on heavy servers, but every volume pools can't
>
> > use fully tapes , always to be left free space on tapes
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charles Ballowe [mailto:cballowe AT gmail DOT com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 6:11 PM
> > To: BOGAC DAGDEVIR
> > Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] fill tapes full
> >
> > after a few days are those numbers better? How many media servers do
> > you have? how many jobs are you running at a time? how much are you
> > multiplexing?
> >
> > For instance - if you have 5 clients in a policy and 4 tape drives,
> > and you're not multiplexing at all, or limiting the jobs/policy the
> > first 4 that kick off each could get their own drive and the next one
> > will be stacked on the tape that was first to finish. The next night,
> > it should continue stacking on those tapes.
> >
> > Without knowing more about your environment, any recommendation would
> > just be guessing.
> >
> > -Charlie
> >
> > On 9/30/05, bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr
> > <bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr> wrote:
> > > Thank you, but my problem is my tapes asaign volume pools
> > > everything ok , but tapes not using till it's capacity, 9840B tapes
> > > loaded 25G, 35G, 15G , 6kb but i want use more efective
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charles Ballowe [mailto:cballowe AT gmail DOT com]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:46 PM
> > > To: BOGAC DAGDEVIR
> > > Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] fill tapes full
> > >
> > > Not sure what you're asking, but I'll try to answer what I think
> > > you're asking.
> > >
> > > Different policies have no problem going on the same tape as long as
>
> > > they have the same retention. I.e. if one policy is doing backups
> > > that
> >
> > > are kept for a month, and one is doing backups that are kept for a
> > > year, they cannot go on the same tape.
> > >
> > > Also - policies that request different volume pools will not go on
> > > the
> >
> > > same tape. A volume pool is a group of tapes - usually used to
> > > denote different types of media or different locations for the
> > > media. For example, we have an onsite pool and an offsite pool - our
>
> > > vault jobs pick up the offsite pool and ship it offsite.
> > >
> > > Did that answer your question - or is there more to it?
> > >
> > > On 9/30/05, bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr
> > > <bogac.dagdevir AT finansbank.com DOT tr> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi all,
> > > > any body know , how can I fill a tape full size (9840B-9940B),
> > > > with different policy and volume pool please help thank you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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