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2004-03-24 01:54:18
Subject: [Veritas-bu] RE: Veritas-bu digest, Vol 1 #3037 - 9 msgs
From: Tal.Shekel AT LechabileSS.co DOT za (Tal Shekel)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:54:18 +0200
To correctly work out your catalogue size you have to take the total
amount of files you backup, multiplied that by the amount of times they
will be backed up before their retension is up and they start to expire.
Then multiply that figure by 150 bytes and you will have your catalogue
size.
Also you say you are on NBU 3.4.1 when you go to NBU 4.5 and up your
catalogue now becomes binary and can be up to 30% of its ASCII size
uncompressed.



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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Catalog sizes (Goldfarb, Josh)
   2. Re: Catalog sizes (Heine Didriksen)
   3. Re: Catalog sizes (K Chapman)
   4. RE: Catalog sizes (Simon, John)
   5. RE: Catalog sizes (Dan Otto)
   6. Re: Catalog sizes] (W. T. Smith)
   7. Re: Catalog sizes (Matt Beal)
   8. RE: Catalog sizes (Dan Otto)
   9. RE: Windows post-processing script query (Donaldson, Mark)

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Message: 1
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:00:02 -0500
From: "Goldfarb, Josh" <Josh.Goldfarb AT blackrock DOT com>
To: "Coco, Samuel (Cont, ARL/CISD)" <scoco AT arl.army DOT mil>,
   "Jennifer Green" <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>,
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>

NBU 3.41 datacenter.  3000 tapes offsited for infinite, large catalog
size, 117gb, We use compression and since it is ASCII, it compresses
easily.

I know it is extremely big because we infinite a lot of things,  But
once we move to either 4.5FP 6 or NBU 5.0 our catalog will not decrease.
We are planning a phased migration to a new NBU environment.



-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Coco,
Samuel (Cont, ARL/CISD)
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:50 PM
To: Jennifer Green; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes


NBU 4.5 FP3 - 74 active clients - 109 total clients - 67 policies - 644
volumes - ~ 32 TB data stored - - -> A catalogue size of 11.7 GB on a
SUN E3000 using Sol 8.

Thank you,
 
 
Samuel J. Coco, STG
Functional Area Manager, ARL
Sr UNIX Administrator
BELL      301 394-1151 DSN 290
CELL (B) 240 398-7121 / (H)443 496-1623
HOME     410 604-2415
Email  scoco AT arl.army DOT mil


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Green
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:35 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes


Hi,

I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are 
seeing?

Thanks

Jennifer


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Message: 2
From: "Heine Didriksen" <Heine.Didriksen AT nhh DOT no>
To: <veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:17:55 +0100

The size of the catalog depends more on the amount of files being backed
up,
rather than the size of the data.

This issue is well documented in the Netbackup system administrator's
guide,
downloadable from Veritas' support site. There are also examples there
on
how to determine catalog space requirements.

-Heine Didriksen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Coco, Samuel (Cont, ARL/CISD)" <scoco AT arl.army DOT mil>
To: "Jennifer Green" <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>;
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes


> NBU 4.5 FP3 - 74 active clients - 109 total clients - 67 policies -
644
> volumes - ~ 32 TB data stored - - -> A catalogue size of 11.7 GB on a
> SUN E3000 using Sol 8.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Samuel J. Coco, STG
> Functional Area Manager, ARL
> Sr UNIX Administrator
> BELL      301 394-1151 DSN 290
> CELL (B) 240 398-7121 / (H)443 496-1623
> HOME     410 604-2415
> Email  scoco AT arl.army DOT mil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer
> Green
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:35 PM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
> of
> you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
> total
> data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you
are
> seeing?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:23:26 -0800 (PST)
From: K Chapman <tech2187 AT yahoo DOT com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
To: Jennifer Green <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>, veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn 
DOT edu

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we do about 2TB a week (full and inc) and ours isnt 5gb, we have a
retention of a month on fulls and one that gets set to a year (one per
month)

Jennifer Green <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com> wrote:Hi,

I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
you are seeing with your catalog sizes. Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are 
seeing?

Thanks

Jennifer


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retention of a month on fulls and one that gets set to a year (one per
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wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi,<BR><BR>I am trying to correctly size
catalog space and was wondering what all of <BR>you are seeing with your
catalog sizes. Generally it would be 2-4% of total <BR>data being backed
up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are
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Message: 4
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:25:47 -0600
From: "Simon, John" <JSimon AT reliant DOT com>
To: "Jennifer Green" <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>,
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>

Catalog size calculation is a little more entailed than that. It is
dependent on the amount you backup, the number of files and the
retention level. If you save stuff infinitely then you need to adjust
your numbers up same thing if you are backing up millions of tiny files.
I backup about 20TB a day and retain about a petabyte in total stored
data, but only have a 40gb catalog. 

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Jennifer
Green
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:35 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes


Hi,

I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are 
seeing?

Thanks

Jennifer


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Message: 5
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:39:20 -0600
From: "Dan Otto" <Dan.Otto AT veritas DOT com>
To: "Simon, John" <JSimon AT reliant DOT com>, "Jennifer Green"
<jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>,
   <veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>

CFM- Page 174 in the 4.5 Sys admin guide has details on how to calculate
the catalog size. It has nothing to do with the amount of data, simply
the number of files times the retention period times the average size of
the full file path and file information. Page 175 had some good
examples. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Simon, John [mailto:JSimon AT reliant DOT com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 12:26 PM
To: Jennifer Green; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes

Catalog size calculation is a little more entailed than that. It is
dependent on the amount you backup, the number of files and the
retention level. If you save stuff infinitely then you need to adjust
your numbers up same thing if you are backing up millions of tiny files.
I backup about 20TB a day and retain about a petabyte in total stored
data, but only have a 40gb catalog. 

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Jennifer
Green
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:35 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes


Hi,

I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are 
seeing?

Thanks

Jennifer


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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:27:08 -0500
From: "W. T. Smith" <wtsmith AT MAINE DOT EDU>
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes]

> Jennifer Green wrote, in part: I am trying to correctly size catalog
> space and was wondering what all of you are seeing with your catalog
> sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of total data being backed up =
> 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you are seeing?

I don't know of any good formula because it varies so much with your 
policies and data.  For example, my typical policies cause about 7 times

the client data to be stored in my backup system at any steady state 
point in time.  Your policies will vary.

Also, the size of the catalog depends very much on the number of objects

being backed up.  My large-file data base systems utilize little catalog

space, but my very high file-count mail servers use much of the utilized

catalog space.

For what it's worth, my NetBackup catalog is currently about 25 GB, with

about 25 TB on tape (NetBackup 4.5).

cheers, wayne




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Message: 7
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
From: Matt Beal <matt.beal AT lightsurf DOT com>
To: Jennifer Green <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:49:42 -0800

I have about the worst-case environment you can imagine - almost 200
million files and directories, only totaling about 3 TB. Catalog size
just crossed 200 GB, or about 7% of the data size.

A suggestion for anyone in that position: switch to the two-stage
catalog backup method. bpbackupdb does not make use of the
NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS and SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS settings, instead using a
default blocksize of 32k, and ran WAY too slow to our LTO-2 drives. I'm
now able to back up the catalog in less than an hour, with write speed
peaks up to 105 MB/s.

matt

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:34, Jennifer Green wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
> you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
> data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you
are 
> seeing?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu

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Message: 8
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:04:47 -0600
From: "Dan Otto" <Dan.Otto AT veritas DOT com>
To: "Matt Beal" <matt.beal AT lightsurf DOT com>, "Jennifer Green"
<jc AT goo-rooz DOT com>
Cc: <veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>

FYI,
For those with ever growing catalogs, in the release of 4.5 FP3 and up,
there a new feature called catalog archiving. It allows you to send the
really large .f files off disk and puts them on a tape. It works really
well for catalogs with retention periods of infinity. 
Dan O

For additional details, below is a link to the 4.5 FP3 PDF feature set
admin guide and under the section "using Catalog for catalog backups"
there is a section tilted "Catalog Archiving" and starting on page 193
(page 229 if you go by the sidebar), it goes into details on use of
catalog archiving.
4.5 FP3 admin guide- 
http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/255206.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Beal [mailto:matt.beal AT lightsurf DOT com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:50 PM
To: Jennifer Green
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog sizes

I have about the worst-case environment you can imagine - almost 200
million files and directories, only totaling about 3 TB. Catalog size
just crossed 200 GB, or about 7% of the data size.

A suggestion for anyone in that position: switch to the two-stage
catalog backup method. bpbackupdb does not make use of the
NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS and SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS settings, instead using a
default blocksize of 32k, and ran WAY too slow to our LTO-2 drives. I'm
now able to back up the catalog in less than an hour, with write speed
peaks up to 105 MB/s.

matt

On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:34, Jennifer Green wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to correctly size catalog space and was wondering what all
of 
> you are seeing with your catalog sizes.  Generally it would be 2-4% of
total 
> data being backed up = 1Tb data = 20-40G catalog...is this what you
are 
> seeing?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
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Message: 9
From: "Donaldson, Mark" <Mark.Donaldson AT experianems DOT com>
To: "'Milton, Fergus (UK - Bath)'" <fmilton AT deloitte.co DOT uk>,
   veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Windows post-processing script query
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:14:01 -0700

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You can use the bparchive function and skip the script altogether.
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the
NT scheduler rather than the NB master) will delete the original files =
if
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Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:30 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Windows post-processing script query



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want
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What has got me foxed is trying to use wildcards in a .bat file to =
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doesn't
seem to work on Windows 2000 server.

On Unix it would be dead easy to script the deletion of any directories
=
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through
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interest, and I'm not allowed to install that :=AC(

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