EMC does not per-say 'make' Networker - They purchased it.... And now
own it....
Being the data storage company that they are... They wanted to have the
backup product that had the lions share of the backup market, so they
bought the biggest player in the field: Networker
Before that, they had a product call EDM (Enterprise Data Manager),
which was originally a product called Epoch Backup (don't know the
history of EB tho...) Much of the module names and internal names for
EDM still carried the EB nomenclature and terms in them... We ran it for
a few years, it wasn't bad. It did some things better than Networker,
like backing up EMC symmetrix hosted data without any network path if
you had a fast-wide SCSI connection from the symmetrix to the backup
server with a tape library attached. No-one else could backup symmetrix
data faster because of it. It ran on Solaris only as far as I know...
They did the same thing with smaller NAS/raid storage systems a few
years back when they purchased Data General, who had invented/created
the Celerra NAS, which had that smaller end market pretty much to
itself.... The only thing that's left of Data General now is their NAS
storage system that EMC now owns and markets... EMC wants to provide all
things storage related in the enterprise, or at least be able to offer
solutions regardless of which end of the scale you are at, small or
large.
I've read the advantage of Networker is that it scales better in larger
environments than other products tend to... Which is a good strength to
have in the storage business.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMC NetWorker discussion
> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU] On Behalf Of Joe N. Wallace
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:58 PM
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: [Networker] Other back-up products besides NetWorker
>
> One quiestion I think is relevant here:
>
> Why choose EMC Networker?
>
> Where is Networker stronger thant the competetors mentioned
> (Netbackup, Commvault, Dataprotector, TSM)
>
> Where are the weak sides of Networker?
>
> Is any one superiour to another?
>
> From my experience Networker is not a champion in any field.
> Sometimes I think it's EMC's excuse for making a backup
> product, being such a data protection company and all.
>
> 2008/12/18 Fazil Saiyed <Fazil.Saiyed AT anixter DOT com>
>
> > Hello,
> > I think HP, Commvault are worthy competitors, when
> evaluating backup
> > products , existing OS expertise at hand, hardware requirement, DR
> > capabilities, ability to effectively manage hardware,
> Tapes, reporting
> > & config changes should be paramount.Backup environment is highly
> > criticized upon failures and it would be prudent to have
> workaround,
> > procedures to correct issues on the spot and recovery
> failed backups,
> > this means even not so backup savvy operations staff may need to
> > intervene as its 24X7 availability, the software which allows
> > workaround, fixes with minimum admin intervention may just win out.
> > To Networkers defense, i have seen more improvement in last
> year then
> > within last 10, but it still needs to be enhanced much more,
> > specifically in Tape,reporting & DR.Networker VCB backups have
> > improved with subsequent versions above 7.3.
> > Meanwhile, not much enhancement in NDMP support is forthcoming from
> > any vendor.
> > To my knowledge only Netbackup can do one shot VCB backups &
> > deduplication support is good.
> > Commvault is an excellent designed product, I have not seen actual
> > performance but has very comprehensive tool set & is well
> integrated,
> > Licensing can be challenging & confusing, for everyone i
> have talked
> > to they are pleased with Commvault ( Uses SQL server for
> it's dB) HP
> > Dataprotector finished second by narrow margin compared to
> Commvault
> > recently in one of the study and may be worth looking into.
> > I think some form of Dedupe, weather it's Data
> Domain\Avamar or other
> > integration and support for FC within Dedupe environment
> may be highly
> > desirable, as there are promising results from VCB dedupe
> as well as
> > what dedupe in general can do to enhance backup &
> replication capabilities.
> > HTH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce Breidall <Bruce.Breidall AT CONCUR DOT COM> Sent by: EMC NetWorker
> > discussion <NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU>
> > 12/18/2008 09:42 AM
> > Please respond to
> > EMC NetWorker discussion <NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU>; Please
> > respond to Bruce Breidall <Bruce.Breidall AT CONCUR DOT COM>
> >
> >
> > To
> > NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > Re: Other back-up products besides NetWorker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Define expensive...
> >
> > Keeping NW running is a lot harder and painful than any of
> those other
> > products mentioned.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EMC NetWorker discussion
> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU]
> > On Behalf Of Conrad Macina
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:15 AM
> > To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re: [Networker] Other back-up products besides NetWorker
> >
> > This question comes up from time to time. I don't know
> anything about
> > DataProtector and Commvault, but you can search the list
> archives and
> > you'll find references.
> >
> > NetBackup appears to be more complete than NetWorker. A lot
> of things
> > that are licensed separately in NetWorker are included "out of the
> > box" in NetBackup. For example, open file management and tape drive
> > sharing. But the impression I've received from other posts (again,
> > search the archives) is that for most users, NetBackup ends
> up being
> > more expensive. I would imagine that if you actually used all the
> > features it might end up being competitive.
> >
> > Conrad Macina
> > Pfizer, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:52:41 +0000, Murphy, Brendan (DBO)
> > <Brendan.P.Murphy AT HP DOT COM> wrote:
> >
> > >DataProtector ... it's cheap, licensing isn't complicated & it does
> > everything Networker can. I suspect this is a key reason
> why EMC have
> > been attempting to simplify their licensing & adjust pricing.
> > >http://www.hp.com/go/dataprotector
> > >
> > >Veritas NetBackup .... Now owned by Symantec. Don't really
> know about
> > price, but again it does everything Networker does.
> > >http://www.symantec.com/business/netbackup
> > >
> > >CommVault Galaxy .. Again pricing & liecensing unknown but
> does the
> > >job http://www.commvault.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kind Regards,
> > >Brendan Murphy,
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: EMC NetWorker discussion
> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU]
> > On
> > Behalf Of tcassid AT kimball DOT com
> > >Sent: 17 December 2008 16:20
> > >To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> > >Subject: [Networker] Other back-up products besides NetWorker
> > >
> > >We use NetWorker as our back-up produce but was wondering if there
> > >are
> > any
> > >other back-up products out there in the market that are
> pretty equal
> > but
> > >cost less to use.
> > >
> > >Thanks
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