Re: [Networker] upgrade path

Symantec is doing exactly the same thing as EMC, they bought the product
which is now called puredisk and they are gradually integrating it  into
the netbackup suite.   They're approaching the integration a bit
differently, so if you try to compare features today it's a very complex
decision to make, but so far from my perspective, EMC look to have a
better licensing model than symantec and that's probably what will win
the day, although from a technology point of view it's anyone's guess
which will be the best in 2 years time. Everyone will have a different
experience depending on their type of organisation...

EMC therefore have a chance of doing something brilliant here, but
there's that chance that they will stuff it up with lots of bugs during
the integration like we're used to. I'm told however that EMC really
have put a lot of people to work on the development side this time, and
presumably they're actually testing it now before releasing it like they
didn't with 7.3.

I think that dedup is going to be the number one most important backup
feature in years to come,  think firewalls, slow wan links, and
laptops...  All things we have to compromise on with networker today can
be addressed, but if you look at avamar and puredisk as standalone
products they just don't have the depth of features the traditional
backup suites have. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMC NetWorker discussion 
> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU] On Behalf Of Bruce Breidall
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 4:14 AM
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: [Networker] upgrade path
> 
> That path frightens me, knowing what I know about NW (which 
> is little by
> comparison to most of the people on this list). 
> 
> The short time I have been involved with NW has been quite 
> disappointing
> when you compare how other companies put their products 
> together and do
> things (i.e. TSM, commvault, and netb).
> 
> Maybe over time the product will start to catch up with real 
> enterprise
> products.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMC NetWorker discussion 
> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU] On
> Behalf Of schweeb
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:06 PM
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: [Networker] upgrade path
> 
> They're grabbing the deduplication functionality from Avamar 
> and slowly
> merging it back with Networker.  They purchased it expressly for the
> deduplication features.  Eventually Avamar will be nothing more than a
> licensed feature of Networker, is my guess (no separate 
> Avamar client at
> all).  Although, they will probably still require you to have Avamar
> storage nodes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Breidall wrote:
> > OK, that makes sense. It is more of a migration path, which 
> I can see
> as
> > being useful.
> > 
> > I've asked EMC about this avamar client for NW, and I still have not
> > gotten any response to the benefits of getting to 7.4.1 to use this
> new
> > client, besides maybe what you have provided - a migration path.
> > 
> > The bigger question is why would EMC invest in 2 completely 
> different
> > backup products?
> > 
> > Thanks again.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at >
> LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of David Dulek
> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:14 PM
> > To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [Networker] upgrade path
> > 
> > I just noticed that someone mentioned moving to Avamar and they were
> > going to 
> > upgrade.  I would upgrade to >7.4.1 so that the plugin into 
> Avamar is
> > there 
> > during the transition, if they plan to use both for a 
> period of time.
> > 
> > On Monday 07 April 2008, Bruce Breidall wrote:
> > 
> > > Thanks Dave.
> > > 
> > > I think this is a marketing ploy for EMC to try and create some
> reason
> > > why a customer would actually want to hang on to Networker.
> > > 
> > > No offense, but I don't see this as a compelling reason to choose
> one
> > > version over the other, especially if you don't own 
> avamar (which is
> > > very expensive).
> > > 
> > > Do you have a plan to get to avamar? Why would you even need NW if
> you
> > > have avamar? I am guilty of not knowing the benefits of 
> having this
> NW
> > > and avamar arrangement.
> > > 
> > > It looks like 7.3 is a completely different set of code than 7.4,
> with
> > > 
> > a
> > 
> > > completely different set of patches and problems.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER < at >
> LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU]
> > > 
> > On
> > 
> > > Behalf Of David Dulek
> > > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:55 AM
> > > To: NETWORKER < at > LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [Networker] upgrade path
> > > 
> > > Avamar plugs into Networker in version 7.4.1 and is 
> compatible with
> > > 
> > the
> > 
> > > 7.3.3
> > > clients.
> > > 
> > > On Tuesday 01 April 2008, Joe Infantino wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:37:15 +0100, Davina Treiber
> > > > 
> > > > <Davina.Treiber < at > PEEVRO.CO.UK> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Is there a good reason why you are going to 7.3.3 rather than
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 7.4.1?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Do
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > you perceive it to be more stable? If so, what particular bugs
> are
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > you
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > expecting to avoid?
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The rest of my environment, 40 Servers, are running 7.3.3 and I
> just
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > wanted
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > to get to a common platform before I switch to Avamar within the
> > > > 
> > > 
> > next
> > 
> > > 
> > > year.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > and
> > 
> > > 
> > > type
> > > 
> > > 
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