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Re: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool

2011-10-13 22:15:32
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool
From: "Prather, Wanda" <wPrather AT ICFI DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:09:00 +0000
Just asking,
I was told that a Protectier doesn't use SHA1 and can't have a hash collision.
Can anybody verify that?


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of 
Remco Post
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 3:15 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool

Hi,

I saw last week that about half of the people visiting the TSM Symposium were 
running V6, it's been stable for me so far.

The likeliness of an accidental SHA1 hash collision is relatively small even 
compared to the total number of objects that a TSM server could possibly ever 
store during its entire lifetime, insignificant. That being said, if you think 
that your data is to valuable to even risk that, don't dedup. 


-- 

Gr., Remco

Op 5 okt. 2011 om 19:24 heeft Shawn Drew <shawn.drew AT AMERICAS.BNPPARIBAS DOT 
COM> het volgende geschreven:

> Along this line, we are still using TSM5.5   Some of the features
> mentioned previously require TSM6.  TSM6 still feels risky to me.  
> Maybe more risky than a hash collision.
> Just looking for a consensus, Do people think its mature enough now 
> that it is as stable/reliable as TSM5 ?
> 
> PS. Test restores are the only way to be sure your backups are good.  
> You shouldn't just "trust" TSM.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn
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> versus file systems for pirmary pool
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>> When TSM is duplicating your data (aka backing up storage pools), 
>> there is no logical connection between your primary storage pool and 
>> your copypool.
> 
> Well . . .yes . .. no . . .
> 
> All our eggs are in one basket no matter what.  The logical connection 
> between pri and copy pools is TSM itself.  A logical corruption in TSM 
> can take out both. Your data could be sitting there on tape and 
> completely useless.  Yes, that's why we have TSM db backups, but are 
> they good?  What if there is a TSM bug that renders all your backups 
> bad - we don't find out until we need it!
> 
> At some point you have to trust something.  We all trust TSM.  Yes, we 
> do the db backup, create pri and copy pools, use reuse delay . . 
> .everything to allow for problems . . . but we are still trusting that 
> TSM workss as advertised.  A really, really paranoid would run two 
> complete separate/different backup systems - but who can afford that, or want 
> to?
> But then, we do do that for our biggest SAP/ORacle systems.  We use 
> Oracle/RMAN-to-flasharea/RMAN-to-TDPO/TSM, but we also run EMC/clone 
> backups off our DR sites R2's . . but also to TSM.
> 
> 
> Rick
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