..Paul


At 04:05 PM 9/28/2009, Kelly Lipp wrote:

And the key to that would be to add the phrase "in some cases..."

No matter what IBM does there will be happy people and unhappy people. While a core based model doesn't make sense to many of us, a per TB model may turn out to make even less sense.

To argue on their side, they must find a model that is compatible with the industry and that does not diminish their own cash flow. We need for IBM to continue to enhance the product. They do that by keeping us as customers and by attracting new customers. That balance is a lot harder than one may think.

I was fairly vocal about this at a previous Oxford. While we're the loudest of the constituent parties, we also matter the least from a cash flow perspective: new customers actually spend more money (they've already gotten ours). The dance is tricky and sometimes comes down to a "they won't really leave (where would they go?) so let's worry about them but not too much."

As I own my own business I can understand the complexity they face. It's really hard, though, not to simply say it's their problem.

Kelly Lipp
Chief Technical Officer
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He was a bit cagey about the actual cost, but said we should expect approx
20% reduction in overall cost. Not pursued it as yet.


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Really.  How much does a TB of storage cost?

Kelly Lipp
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-----Original Message-----
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My Tivoli S/W rep here in the UK is happy to sell by PVU or per TB.

It sounds like it's not quite made it over the water yet.


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Duane,
    I asked our TSM rep this question, and he asked Ron Broucek, the
North America Tivoli Storage Software Sales Leader.  His response was:

"just a rumor at this time as we occasionally evaluate pricing
strategies to make sure we're delivering the right value in the
marketplace.
Ron Broucek
North America Tivoli Storage Software Sales Leader"

So if he says it is just a rumor, then how do you know IBM is offering
both?  Do you have this from a reliable source within IBM?

Best Regards,

John D. Schneider
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Per terabyte licensing
From: "Ochs, Duane" <Duane.Ochs AT QG DOT COM>
Date: Mon, September 28, 2009 9:07 am
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU

We are actually looking into the cost difference.
From what I understand, IBM is offering both. However, per terabyte
licensing eliminates sub-capacity licensing.
And it is your entire site. Not just where it works out best.

We are in the midst of passport renewals and found an increase due to
core type upgrades.

Previously we had older xeons using 50 PVUs per core. And the new
machines replacing the older ones are either same cores but at xeon 5540
cores which are now 70 PVUs or double the cores.
They brought up per TB licensing. Since then sales has sent me two
E-mails inquiring total number of hosts, total TSM sites and total
library capacity at each.
I was hesitant to say the least.

It's been about a week and I haven't heard back yet. When I hear more
I'll drop a line.



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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Skylar Thompson
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Per terabyte licensing

We're in that boat too. We have a GPFS cluster we expect to grow into
the petabyte range, so unless IBM sets the per-byte cost *really* low
we'll get hammered with that licensing scheme.

Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU wrote:
> Or more costly. We have test VM servers with quad-core processors
running
> 15-VM guests. If I started counting by T-Bytes backed-up, it would cost
> a lot more than 4-CPU's!
>
>
>
> From:
> David Longo <David.Longo AT HEALTH-FIRST DOT ORG>
> To:
> ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Date:
> 09/25/2009 03:22 PM
> Subject:
> Re: [ADSM-L] Per terabyte licensing
> Sent by:
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
>
>
>
> Haven't heard that.
> My first thought is that it would make licensing
> a LOT easier to figure out!
>
> David Longo
>
>>>> Thomas Denier <Thomas.Denier AT JEFFERSONHOSPITAL DOT ORG> 9/25/2009 3:09 
PM
>>>>
>>>>
> Within the last few months there was a series of messages on counting
> processor cores. A couple of the messages stated that TSM is moving to
> licensing based on terabytes of stored data rather than processor
> cores. Where can I find more information on this?
>
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