Ben,
How much data do you have in DD and what sort of ratios are you seeing? What
about performance during restores?
Thanks,
Kelly Lipp
CTO
STORServer, Inc.
485-B Elkton Drive
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
719-266-8777 x7105
www.storserver.com
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Ben Bullock
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:52 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Data Domain - questions from a meeting with DD
We use a DD580 on our TSM servers. We use a device type of "FILE" and set it to
a 50GB file size. Our TSM server is on AIX, so we use an NFS mount for the
storage pools on the DD. It works well, we can get very good throughput over
the 1GB NIC to the DD. If your environment is larger and you need more
throughput, you could get a DD with the VTL option and then I think you can
attach it to your TSM server though fibre.
We try not to compress anything we send to TSM. Yes, it takes longer to send
over the network, but it then dedupes well. In some cases we do have to receive
pre-compressed data that will not depupe/compress. In those cases, we don't
send that data to the DD storagepool, we keep it on the tape drives.
DD has to do its own "CLEAN" process once a week, which is kinda like a
reclamation on the TSM server. So we just let the TSM server do it's normal
reclamation on the DD storagepools, but knowing that the data will not actually
re-appear on the DD until after it does it's clean.
Ben
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Loon, EJ van - SPLXM
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:31 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Data Domain - questions from a meeting with DD
Hi Rick!
Quite a coincident: I just spoke to DataDomain too!
1) The Dutch guys also confirmed that compressed data is dedupable, but it
depends how compression is done. If it's file level compression, you can expect
that a copy of that file is similar and thus dedupable. A compressed
ntkernel.dll from system A is similar to a compressed ntkernel.dll from system
B.
2) and 3) The Dutch DD guys stated that most TSM users with a DataDomain
appliance use a storagepool type=disk!
Normally you don't want to store your data in a diskpool, because it becomes
heavily fragmented overtime, but since the DD appliance does backend
defragmentation, front-end fragmentation on you diskpool this will have no
negative effect on performance.
I found it a very interesting option, since the appliance does in-band and
on-the-fly deduplication, compression and defragmentation and has the option to
duplicate the de-duplicated data to a remote location.
Kind regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Richard Rhodes
Sent: maandag 15 juni 2009 15:29
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Data Domain - questions from a meeting with DD
Hello,
The other day we had a meeting with Data Domain - just the normal vendor update
about their products. While informative, several comments were made by DD
systems that I thought I like your opinions on. (note: we are a all tape
shop, and probably will be until the next hardware refresh in several years)
Interesting comments DD made:
1) de-dup of compressed data.
We told them that much of our backup load comes from Oracle backups that are
already compressed via Unix compress utility then pushed to TSM. We asked what
effect this would have on de-dup. They said we could expect a 4x-5x de-dup
ratio on this compress data. I had always thought that compressed data would
not de-dup.
2) NFS mounted storage pools.
They said that the vast majority of their installations, including TSM
installations, use NFS (some OpenStorage for NetBackup, and a little CIFS) for
backups to disk. In other words, VTL emulation is a very small percentage of
their installations. If you have DD hdwr, are you using NFS or file devices,
or, a vtl interface? Is anyone using NFS for a storage pool?
3) DD reclaim of scratch tapes
I asked about when/how DD will reclaim no longer used space.
In other words, when a scratch tape passed reuse-delay. He said that DD had
some kind of interface to backup softw such that it knows when data is no
longer needed and reclaimes that space. I know TSM v5.5 has a feature to clear
a vol when no longer used with a vtl, but DD was saying they had a special
interface to accomplish this. Does DD have a special interface to TSM?
Thanks
Rick
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