Re: [ADSM-L] Backupset media goes to Copypool too?

On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:47 , Cheung, Richard wrote:

Yes. And you can forget the consultancy and the arguments about
backups
not being archives etc, the keeping hardware and software to run the
old
system etc.  Have been through all that with the business.


That's nice.

Data needs to be retained offsite for 25 years.  Its the industry my


data != backups ;-)

company is in.   As a result, I need to generate these archival
offsite
tapes - whether via TSM Backup sets or TSM Archives.
TSM backup sets + TOC appears the quickest way of doing it - and
perhaps


yes, quickest, but with a few problems when the need to retrieve your
archive arises in 20 years.


a yearly TSM Archive will be run as well (which will then be less
dependant on the tsm server db)


I still think you're on the wrong path.


You mean a business requirements to retain some data for 25 years?
Backups are not archives. Really repeat after me, "backups are not
archives". I can think of no legitimate reason to retain backups for
more than maybe 2 years, and even that is pushing it.

Here's a bit of free consultancy ;)

When retaining TSM backupsets, are you also retaining:

1- drives that can read the tapes
2- software versions that can read the media and interpret the data
3- hardware that can run that software

Have you considered that even enterprise archival tapes are only
guaranteed for 10 years?

This is a very hard problem to solve and I really don't believe that
it's easy to have TSM be part of the solution. If you have a real
business-case, make a real design, assume nothing but open standards.
You'll probably wind up writing tapes in tar or cpio format with
plain-
text, pdf or maybe odf formatted files and copying those tapes over
every year or so. IBM is a very big company, but I doubt that even
IBM
will guarantee availability of software that can interpret current
TSM
on-tape format in 25 years. And that is just one link in the chain.

In the old days there were people that specialized in retaining data,
called archivists. Now, in current day and age, anyone thinks that
can
do this on a PC, but really there are just to many thing to think of.

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Nick Laflamme
Sent: Sunday, 28 December 2008 3:39 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Backupset media goes to Copypool too?

On Dec 26, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Cheung, Richard wrote:

Hi...

So if i wanted these to be kept offsite AND onsite, do I need to
issue a
manual copy command?


The following is speculation, but I'll bet a beer at SCIDS that the
premise is valid.

If you want two backup sets, run the command twice. Presumably,
after
each one, you'll CHECKOUT the LIBVOLs on which the backup set was
created. What you do with the media once it's out of the library is
up
to you. Send one to an off-site repository, or store one is a user's
office so they "know" they have a copy of their data, it's up to
them.

Like database backups, backup sets are created on a device type but
are not part of storage pools. They're just "different."

Remind me, why are you so gung-ho to have backup sets in the first
place? What problem are you solving?

Nick

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