David,

You are seeing the correct behavior.  If you have the default domain
backup, system state will be part of the backup.  On Vista, system state
is in GB because we're backing up the windows\winsxs and
system32\driverstore folder.  Please see the link below where MS describes
in-box writers.  System state consists of all the bootable system state and
system services writers.  Though 8GB seems high.  Our testing
shows about 5GB.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa819131.aspx

For Windows 2003, TSM implements a way to back up the system files
component of the system state only if something is changed.  So it
is possible to backup only about 30-40 files the 2nd time and thereafter if
no fixes or SP were applied after the initial system state backup.
During Vista development, we noticed some files were always changed so
instead of spending the cycle to compare each file. which are
in 30,000-40,000 files now, we decided to backup all the time.  This is one
area we will revisit.

If you have vshadow tool from the MS VSS SDK, you can do "vshadow -wm2" to
see all the files that should be part of the backup.  Please
let me know if you have further questions.

Regards,
Joanne Nguyen
TSM Client Development




                                                                       
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I did a backup using the GUI and selected system state along with the C:
drive. The backup was 8 gig when it finished.

I went back and did a C: drive only and it was only a few hundred meg.
Then I did a system state only and got the 8 gig again.

That system state in Vista is just crazy. I need to go back and really
look at some of my servers and see just how big the system state backups
are. I'll also take a close look at a few Win XP Pro desktops that I'm
backing up and see what the numbers look like.


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Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Vista oddness

Don't know myself, but someone else posted a while back that the System
State on Vista is many GB.

That is consistent with what you are seeing - a scheduled backup will do
the
System State, whether things have changed or not.  And selecting the C:
drive will not do the system state.

As a test, try your backup from thh GUI again, but this time select
System
STate as well as the C: drive, see if the results change...

And please post back the results!



On 12/6/07, Tyree, David <david.tyree AT sgmc DOT org> wrote:
>
>            We are testing Vista and I'm seeing something odd. TSM
seems
> to want to do almost a full backup every time it runs automatically.
>
>            I'm running the 5.5.0 client on a VMware (6.0) Vista
> Ultimate box that is talking to a TSM server running 5.4.1 on Windows.
>
>            The backup on the Vista machine is automated using the
> DSMCAD service. The incremental backup kicks off at the correct time,
> but it ends up doing a full backup.
>
>            I've looked through the dsmsched log on the Vista machine
> and I'm seeing where it has contacted the TSM server and picked up the
> schedule name and the action. The schedule name is correct and the
> action is set to incremental. And several lines in the dsmsched log
> mention "Incremental backup of '\\is-vista-test-d\c$' finished".
>
>            The log shows everything just like what I would expect to
> say, the issue is that it ends up backing up almost 8 gigs of files
each
> time the backup runs. I've run scheduled incremental backups almost
back
> to back on the machine and it picks up 8 gigs each time. The machine
is
> just sitting there between backups; I'm not doing anything on the
> machine in between.
>
>            If I open the GUI and tag the c drive for incremental
backup
> it goes out and looks at all the files on the drive and backs up a few
> dozen files and it done. Just like I would expect it to.
>
>            If I go to the baclient folder and run "dsmc incr" from the
> command line it ends up doing what looks like a full backup.
>
>
>
>            In the last couple of hours I had a scheduled backup run
> that moved about 8 gigs worth of files. Right after that finished I
did
> a c drive backup from the GUI. It moved a few hundred megs of files.
> Right behind that I did the "dsmc incr". So far it's moved over 4 gig
of
> files and is still running.
>
>
>
>            Anybody got a idea what's going on here?
>
>
>
>
>
>            PS, Vista looks good.  Except most of our software doesn't
> run. The UAC (User Account Control) is a real piece of work. And they
> have moved everything around so you can't find what you're looking
for.
> But at least it looks good....
>
> David Tyree
> Interface Analyst
> South Georgia Medical Center
> 229.333.1155
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