I fully agree and would rather have had a larger AIX box. The $$$$$$ just
couldn't be justified, besides the fact that we are phasing out AIX. There
are only 5-AIX servers left and 2-are TSM.
This will be one less flavor of *NIX to support. We are primarily moving
to Solars but also have lots of RH....some SGI....one or two HP-UX, not to
mention tons of Windows and zOS (which is also being phased out by EOY!)
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Zoltan Forray
Virginia Commonwealth University
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e-mail: zforray AT vcu DOT edu
voice: 804-828-4807
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The price I pulled from the web includes a pair of rootvg drives. External
disk for storage pools, db, and log should be similar for all systems. The
real point is that for high throughput environments, pSeries hardware has
the ability to do much more work. The system I quoted is the very bottom
of the pSeries configurations. If I want to build a system to do 32
GB/sec of IO, I can do it on AIX. It just isn't possible on a single
Intel system.
The cost of doing Intel hardware is that you have to scale by adding more
boxes. For smaller environments this is reasonable and cost effective.
When you get to larger environments, I prefer the scalability of the
pSeries platform. The dollar numbers are higher, but the value is there.
Orville L. Lantto
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Yeah but, how about the disk?
We payed close to that for 8GB RAM and 8-750GB drives (~5TB LZ in Raid-5)
and 2-500GB Seagate 300mb SATA drives (dedicated for DB, LOG, OS and
mirror) !
Plus the yearly license cost of AIX and having only 1-person who is a true
AIX person also increases the cost.
We have lots of experienced Linux folks plus the $50 license for RHES4 is
also a cost incentive.
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Virginia Commonwealth University
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Yes, the pricing has changed. I just web priced a p510 with 3 GB memory,
two 4 Gb Fibre card, AIX with one year maintenance for under $8500. This
has one dual core Power5+ processor. One is enough (2 dual cores can be
put in the box) as it has a SPECint comparable to four dual core Intel
Xeon 3.3 MHz processors.
Orville L. Lantto
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I've got nothing against AIX, but unless the pricing of AIX boxes has
changed significantly since the last time I looked, the project would
have to go HORRIBLY wrong before he go to the point that it would be
cheaper to stick with AIX -- especially if he's buying a bunch of them.
He could probably spend 6 man months working on this problem before he'd
approach the cost differential between a single Linux and AIX server.
(The same would be true if it were an HP or Sun server, BTW.) Then once
he solves it, he gets to experience the joys of that cost differential
over and over as he buys a bunch more Linux servers at a few thousand
dollars apiece.
We've got many clients using Linux servers all over their production
environment and I don't think it's like the picture you're trying to
paint. There can be just as many problems getting a new
AIX/Solaris/HPUX config working. Man, do I know that. I've banged my
head against many a Sun/IBM/HP/Digital keyboard.
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>> On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:44:43 -0400, Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU
<zforray AT VCU DOT EDU> said:
> We have been having all kinds of interesting adventures trying to get
our
> new DELL 2900 with 5TB with RHEL 4 (fully patched), [...]
Just out of curiosity, have you put enough work into getting this
flying that your management acknowledges that AIX would have been
cheaper?
- Allen S. Rout
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