I second that.  In general, my approach is that any product the vendor
is too ashamed to post pricing for is a product not worth considering.

As far as this 'Processor Value Unit Pricing' model goes -- I'll track
what information the software provides me, I do *not* jump through hoops
to get pricing data for vendors. I was current under the old model so I
must be properly covered under the new one; I'll worry about the details
if and when I add systems.

Tom Kauffman
NIBCO, Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Gill, Geoffrey L.
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:43 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4

Just "one" of my pet peves with this product. I just went through this
with someone and it looks to me like the changes that were made since
the last time have dramatically increased the cost here. Having to
contact someone to figure out pricing makes no sense when you can find
pricing for most anything else you want on the internet. Oh sure, I
would expect that you need to contact someone to get "better pricing"
before you buy, but to not have a way to at least figure out something
on your own is unsatisfactory to me. 


 
Geoff Gill 
TSM Administrator 
PeopleSoft Sr. Systems Administrator 
SAIC M/S-G1b 
(858)826-4062 
Email: geoffrey.l.gill AT saic DOT com 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-adsm-l AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU [mailto:owner-adsm-l AT VM.MARIST DOT 
EDU] On
Behalf Of David Longo
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:23 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: Pricing model for 5.4

I second the motion, Steve!

TSM should be able to track/mange the license scheme.
Or they should provide an additional tool to do it - without charging
you $100K for the tool!



David B. Longo
System Administrator
Health First, Inc.
3300 Fiske Blvd.
Rockledge, FL 32955-4305
PH      321.434.5536
Pager  321.634.8230
Fax:    321.434.5509
david.longo AT health-first DOT org


>>> Steven Harris <steve AT STEVENHARRIS DOT INFO> 2/6/2007 7:11 PM >>>
Hi All,

I was looking at the TSM 5.4 announcement letter and notice that 5.4 now
attracts "Processor Value Unit" pricing.  The (AP) announcement letter
points you to the PVU announcement letter AP06-0154, which contains a
lot of justification and not much else.  It in turn points you to a
website for detailed information - but this is just the passport
advantage portal.

I have a few concerns.
First, PVU pricing may mean an effective price rise, although it is hard
to tell without detailed information. Certainly its a change.
Second, why is it so hard to find definitive information? This should be
widely published on a publicly available website.
Third, yet again the administrative burden of tracking licencing
requires detailed hardware information to be maintained and correlated
with the TSM usage.  Again, the product has not been enhanced to
automatically collect and maintain  this information, providing a
significant overhead for administrators and a lack of assurance that
licencing is *ever* correct.   Sure IBM has the right to change their
licencing model, but they should also provide tools to do the job
efficiently and effectively and provide an audit function to allow
customers to know they are correctly licensed.

If anyone has been able to find the PVU detail could they please post it
for those of us who don't have access to Passport Advantage?

Thanks

Steve.

Steven Harris
AIX and TSM Admin, Brisbane Australia
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