The issue is actually more complex for IBM/Tivoli.  They typically do not
implement solutions that have potential integrity issues and they are
targeted toward enterprise recoveries in case of a disaster.

Unfortunately, none of the Disaster Recovery providers recommend BMR because
of HAL issues in the windows world and it being much easier to guarantee a
successful recovery for UNIX systems by restoring to an alternate drive and
booting.  What the DR providers do like is the mksysb of AIX.  That is a
great tool.

Tivoli does recognize the fact that customers must have a bare metal
recovery to identical hardware for windows.  I do not know when, but they
will eventually have a solution for this.  I believe this is the convenience
case.

If you are a business partner, you should be making the business lost case
to Tivoli because of the missing BMR capability.  I encourage all business
partners to make that plea with supporting documentation to Tivoli.

Paul D. Seay, Jr.
Technical Specialist
Naptheon Inc.
757-688-8180


-----Original Message-----
From: mephi AT IBN.COM DOT TW [mailto:mephi AT IBN.COM DOT TW]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:16 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: BareMetalRestore


There is a problem: all other software, like Brightstor and Netbackup
support this function. Since the windows users are getting more, we cannot
ignore the requests from them. I lose about 4 case which Brightstor and
Netbackup take these case because of the lack of this function. TSM is a
very good solution, but is still not a complet solution. People do not think
about the disaster and disaster recovery, they just think of convinient,
especially they spend lots of money to build a solution.

Mephi Liu

-----Original Message-----
From: Seay, Paul [mailto:seay_pd AT NAPTHEON DOT COM]
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:07 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: BareMetalRestore


IBM is the only company that provides this capability for its operating
systems.  Standalone restore on the mainframe, mksysb on AIX.  These are
included free with the OS.  This is a OS vendor issue.  They simply do not
recognize the benefits of the capability and are not focused on SAR because
they do not see it as a problem.

The place that Tivoli needs to step in is make things like mksysb integrated
as a special backup capability that and manage the associated media and
provide a boot strap wrapper to invoke the native system's capability if the
are ever created.

Paul D. Seay, Jr.
Technical Specialist
Naptheon Inc.
757-688-8180


-----Original Message-----
From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:GEOFFREY.L.GILL AT SAIC DOT COM]
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:08 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: BareMetalRestore


There has been a lot of discussion on bare metal restore with TSM and other
products. It seems we're all held hostage to purchase expensive products
that have this capability. Unfortunately in times like this we've all had
our budgets cut, at least I have, and would like our software vendors,
IBM/TIVOLI in this case, to make their products more robust. After all we do
send them maintenance money for software updates and expect the product to
get better.

I'm just wondering how serious IBM is about getting TSM to "WORK" with the
various OS software vendors, i.e. Microsoft, HP, Compaq, Sun and the like,
to find out what it takes to get it's product to do bare metal restores. If
TKG could make it work why can't IBM? Or don't these guys talk to each
other?

My little rant for the day!!!!!
Geoff Gill
TSM Administrator
NT Systems Support Engineer
SAIC
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