HEAR HEAR!
The webadmin is better than nothing, but there are problems with it for a
busy administrator:
no sorting/filtering capability when looking at lists of volumes
too many screens to navigate to get down to the information you need
too many places where the BACK button doesn't work and you have to
navigate the entire tree again for repetitive operations, such as adding
management classes.
I've tried writing scripts to replace many of the "missing" functions that
we had in the GUI, but you don't really have enough control of output format
from SELECT statements to make that do-able, either.
So I guess it's time to flex those typing muscles and go back to the command
line.....
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Wanda Prather
The Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab
443-778-8769
wanda_prather AT jhuapl DOT edu
"Intelligence has much less practical application than you'd think" -
Scott Adams/Dilbert
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [SMTP:Rene.Lambelet AT NESTLE DOT COM]
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:42 AM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: TSM 3.7 GUI Admin - did I miss something?
>
> Hello,
> I fully agree and have the same needs as you, Andreas and Jerry!
>
> Please give us the admin client!
>
> Rene Lambelet
> Nestec SA - 55, Av. Nestle - CH-1800 Vevey
> Tel: ++41'21'924'35'43 / Fax: ++41'21'924'45'89
> E-Mail: rene.lambelet AT nestle DOT com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Buser [SMTP:andreas.buser AT BASLER DOT CH]
> > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 9:32 AM
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re: TSM 3.7 GUI Admin - did I miss something?
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would have nothing against the Webadmin, if it would be so reliable as
> > the normal GUI, if it would be so fast as the normal GUI, if the
> overview
> > and the possibilites (sorting, filtering , detail list etc) would be so
> > good as the normal GUI. But as the webadmin is only a poor way of
> > encapsulating the commandline interface, wich is errorpruned, slow and
> > instable, so for productivity reasons I use the normal GUI.
> >
> > If I have time or if I am away from my PC with the normal GUI, I
> > sometime
> > use the webadmin, because it is "portable" (Browsers you find
> everywhere).
> > But for day to day productive doing, I only use ADMIN GUI or native
> > CMD-Line.
> >
> > I support your point of view : Give us back the real ADMIN-GUI!!!
> >
> > If I'am hearing this, I will stay as long as possible at ADSM 3.2.1.40
> on
> > OS/390 and wil not go to TSM 3.7 !!!
> >
> > There we are now, TIVOLI people are not STORAGE-people like the
> > ADSM-people
> > were. We ADSM Admins don't sit in front of our PCs and stare the hole
> day
> > at long at red, green yellow, pink or whatever colored blinking icons,
> we
> > have to do productive work in managing DATA!
> >
> > _________________________________________________
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Andreas Buser
> >
> > Tel: ++41 61 285 73 21 Fax: ++41 61 285 70 98
> >
> > Email: Andreas.Buser AT Basler DOT ch
> >
> > Address:
> > Basler Versicherungen
> > Andreas Buser
> > Abt. Informatik
> > Aeschengraben 21
> > 4002 Basel
> > Switzerland
> >
> >
> >
> > JerryLawson
> > <jlawson@THEHAR An: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT
> > EDU
> > TFORD.COM> Kopie:
> > Gesendet von: Thema: TSM 3.7 GUI Admin -
> did
> > I miss something?
> > "ADSM: Dist
> > Stor Manager"
> > <ADSM-L AT VM DOT MARI
> > ST.EDU>
> >
> >
> > 07.10.99 19:36
> > Bitte antworten
> > an "ADSM: Dist
> > Stor Manager"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: October 7, 1999 Time: 1:32 PM
> > From: Jerry Lawson
> > The Hartford Insurance Group
> > (860) 547-2960 jlawson AT thehartford DOT com
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> >
> > Yesterday I downloaded the TSM 3.7 (Sorry - I'm just an Acronym sort of
> > guy)
> > client for Win32, and installed it on my machine. I was a little bit of
> > surprised when I found that there was no GUI Admin client - just the GUI
> > backup client, and CLIs for the Backup and admin. Well, maybe they were
> > rushed, and couldn't get it rolled out in time, I thought.
> >
> > Then I tried my old 3.1 Admin GUI, and low and behold, it still seemed
> > fine
> > -
> > after all, I haven't upgraded the server, so all should be well, right?
> > It
> > was up until I shut it down, when it took an ANS8003S catastrophic
> error.
> > A
> > peek in the error log indicated that a couple of messages were missing
> > from
> > the repository. OK, I thought - time to report the problem, which I
> did.
> >
> > The response, to my surprise, came back that there was no intention of
> > supporting a GUI for the Admin; we would now have to use a Web Browser
> > Interface.
> >
> > I am still trying to see the logic in this. My first inclination is
> that
> > some planners/developers have struck upon this as a neat way to avoid a
> > GUI
> > application - they can now just use HTML and some Java. Probably easier
> > on
> > their end. The trouble is, I don't think they have taken a look at
> > anyone's
> > network lately. In my shop, this would mean that I need to keep a
> Browser
> > loaded all the time (certainly not a big deal), but I must also now
> > contend
> > with internet and intranet traffic. Our firewall is not always the
> best;
> > it
> > has sometimes caused outages to internet/intranet traffic when regular
> > TCP/IP
> > traffic to my server (OS/390) has not been impacted. The bottom line is
> > that
> > I expect that response time will be slower, and availability will not be
> > as
> > good. Is this the way a major product should be going?
> >
> > I think I understand some of the reasons given for web enabled clients,
> > but
> > I
> > certainly do not want to have them as my sole means of access to a
> native
> > product. I haven't been monitoring the list actively lately - has this
> > been
> > a hot discussion item that people are clamoring for? What did I miss?
> > What
> > do others think?
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Insanity is doing the same thing over and over..and expecting the
> results
> > to
> > be different - Anon.
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