This is correct !  Just because you don't want the files backed up
     doesn't mean you don't want the directory structure  brought back in
     case of a mass failure.

     Lets use for example an oracle data base... its files are open &
     active most of the time (when the db is up) thus the files are
     excluded from incremental backup processing BUT if your system dies &
     you have to restore it somewhere else, you should have archived copies
     of the .dbf files from hot backups... but you need somewhere to put
     them!  Incremental backup processing of these file systems (which
     saves the directory structure even though the file systems are
     excluded from incremental processing) ensures you have a place to put
     them.

     Now they've been dork'n around with the code, where an archive
     triggers an archive into the longest retention management class of the
     directory structure in which the archived file resides but we've seen
     where that has gone...

     so anyway, in some cases it might seem like a big waste but in most it
     is a BIG C.Y.A. !

     JMHO

     Dwight


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Subject: Re: Include Exclude question
Author:  MRemeta (MRemeta AT SELIGMANDATA DOT COM) at unix,mime
Date:    7/14/99 9:10 AM


yes but if I have an exclude of *:\DIRA\DIRB\...\*.* it still backs up the
directories in DIRA\DIRB...

example


07/14/1999 02:48:06 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\49UZGDYN [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:06 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\63MDS70D [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:06 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\6OVK8UCO [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\HXFQUIBF [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\IS1TMZ6K [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\K3CR29SP [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\KX6ZKPI7 [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\SDIVKXUN [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\WDUFWXYV [Sent]
07/14/1999 02:48:07 Directory-->                   0 C:\WINNT\Temporary
Internet Files\WW395N3J [Sent]


Here is the exclude entry...

Exclude         "*:\...\Temporary Internet Files\...\*.*"

Thanks,
Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirk Kastens [SMTP:Dirk.Kastens AT RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK DOT DE]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 9:05 AM
> To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject:      Re: Include Exclude question
>
> At 08:48 14.07.99 -0400, Remeta, Mark wrote:
> >so to exclude everything in DIRA\DIRB I would need 2 statements
> >
> >*:\DIRA\DIRB\*.*
> >*:\DIRA\DIRB\...\*.*
>
> No. The \... means zero or more directories.
> You only need to specify
> *:\DIRA\DIRB\...\*.*
>
> regards,
>
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