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Re: [Veritas-bu] VM File Level Backups and not Full VMDK withfilelevel rest

2011-06-01 23:53:18
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM File Level Backups and not Full VMDK withfilelevel rest
From: "Mikhail Nikitin" <mikhail.nikitin AT gmail DOT com>
To: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 03:53:07 +0000
Rusty,

I'm talking about full VM recovery.
Let's imagine we have a VM with vmdk of 500Gb. We've made a full backup (500Gb) plus several CBT incrementals (say 10-20 Gb). Next, we screwed the VM and want to recover.
NBU in this case restores first backup (full VM) plus required number of CBT incrementals. (500Gb plus a few chunks of 10-20Gb).
In case of Avamar, it does analysis of the screwed VM and restores just a few blocks that have been changed since last backup (i.e. just a fraction of CBT incremental), this is what I'd love to see in NBU.

WBR, Mikhail
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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 17:00:49 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM File Level Backups and not Full VMDK withfilelevel rest

Mikhail,

I'm not following what you're saying. NBU can restore granular files from a CBT enabled backup. How does Avamar differ from that?

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Hello Bahadir,

I have mentioned that NBU does support for CBT during backup. Unfortunately it does not support it for restores, because you still have to recover full VMDK image and apply CBT incrementals. Other solutions (Avamar, for example) don't use the full VMDK for recovery if they need to recover just a few blocks.

WBR, Mikhail


From: Bahadir Kiziltan <bahadir.kiziltan AT gmail DOT com>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:58:26 +0300
To: <mikhail.nikitin AT gmail DOT com>
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] VM File Level Backups and not Full VMDK with filelevel rest

Mikhail,

NetBackup does support CBT in VMware backups.
Even, you can restore a single file from CBT enabled backups.

Depending on the NBU version, you need to modify the FlashBackup-Windows policy appropriately.

Bahadir.

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Mikhail Nikitin <mikhail.nikitin AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
Additionally to CBT backups, Avamar can also leverage CBT during restores. This feature could be useful if you need to restore a VM of several hundreds of GBs: it will only recall bytes that have been modified since last backup from backup. Looking forward to see similar feature in NBU.

WBR, Mikhail

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What do you mean "File level backups?"

There is either image level (entire VMDK) or guest level (agent within guest)  Which NBU can do both, among many other backup vendors.

VCB is so last year.  the new vStorage API's can use Change Block tracking (CBT) so you dont have to send the entire VMDK each time.  This was a VCB limitation.

I know Avamar is one great solution that takes CBT even further by deduping even the CBT blocks.

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