I
wasn’t going to chime in but…
I
work with both Unix and Windows and they both have
benefits/drawbacks.
This
debate can go on and on, but can we please take it off line, or at least stop
sending to this list?
Thanks.
From: Peacock Dennis -
dpeaco [mailto:Dennis.Peacock AT acxiom DOT com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008
10:50 AM
To: Martin, Jonathan;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup
Manual Backup - can't seerestore-OFFTOPIC
Windows
will never do what Unix does and Unix will never do what Windows
does.
Some
like purdy pictures while others like raw power. ‘nuff
said.
Thank
You,
Dennis
Peacock
EBCA
Acxiom
Corporation
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Martin,
Jonathan
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup
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I prefer
the original Greek.
From
Wikipedia.
In Ancient Greece, "hubris" referred to actions taken
in order to shame and humiliate the victim, thereby making one-self seem
superior. It was most evident when looking at those in charge and how they used
hubris when making decisions in their justice system and personal lives. The
word came about when describing people who considered themselves more important
than the Greek gods themselves.
The
question is, am I the victim and Windows the gods, or do I just like poking a
stick into the Unix bee hive to see what happens? =P
You guys
are nothing if not entertaining.
From: Jeff Lightner
[mailto:jlightner AT water DOT com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:48
AM
To: Peacock Dennis - dpeaco; Martin, Jonathan;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup
Manual Backup - can't see restore -OFFTOPIC
hubris [hew-briss]
Noun
Formal pride or arrogance [Greek]
hubristic adj
Notice
that the definition doesn’t say anything about the pride being
unwarranted.
Even
better is the Thesaurus entry:
Noun1.hubris - overbearing pride or
presumption
arrogance, haughtiness, hauteur, high-handedness, lordliness - overbearing
pride evidenced by a superior manner toward
inferiors
Notice
here again it specifically states the targets of the hubris are
“inferiors”.
Back
when I was young and dumb I thought MS-DOS was a great thing but then I got to
work on REAL operating systems like UNIX/Linux and learned the
difference.
There
was a Dilbert strip a few years back:
Dilbert
meets a guy and says “That scruffy beard, those suspenders. You’re one of
those condescending UNIX guys aren’t you?”
Guy
replies: “Here’s a nickel. Buy yourself a real
computer.”
J
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Peacock
Dennis - dpeaco
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:24 PM
To:
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Subject: Re:
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-OFFTOPIC
LOL!!!!
Ever seen a Windows box with 400 Terabytes of disk attached to it? Me no think
so. J
Ever
seen a Windows box that can run 1100 backup per day for a total of 2.7 PB per
month? We eat Windows boxes for a snack. J
Thank
You,
Dennis
Peacock
EBCA
Acxiom
Corporation
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Martin,
Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:10 PM
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You Unix
guys are just too easy! “unscrupulous business practices”? Ah, the
hubris of the defeated. =P
-Jonathan
PS:
Looking forward to the retort. ;)
From: Jeff Lightner
[mailto:jlightner AT water DOT com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:53
PM
To: Martin, Jonathan;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup
Manual Backup - can't see restore - OFF TOPIC
Funny
that.
UNIX has
been going to “succumb” any day now ever since 1970.
NT was
introduced specifically to try to take the UNIX niche but failed in that attempt
(however it did succeed in taking over Novell’s fileserver niche).
NT and subsequent Windoze flavors failed because they are simply not scalable
enough.
Interestingly
the UNIX Clone, Linux, is taking market share away from Windoze both in the
desktop and the server arenas to the point that Dell is selling laptops with
Ubuntu now and has been selling servers with RedHat for quite a
while.
Using
what were judged to be monopolistic practices by the EU courts and were on there
way to being done so by US courts before W killed the DOJ anti-trust action
doesn’t mean you were adopted due to superior technology but rather due to
unscrupulous business practices.
The
great thing about UNIX/Linux is that it does offer choice. SCO UNIX by the
way was a good OS. What killed it was a combination of free Linux and
FreeBSD in the niche they were in along with poor business practices. It
had nothing to do with Windows as most of its life was AFTER Windows was already
available.
Now lets
talk about Vista which seems to be flying as high as your average lead balloon –
so much so that MicroSloth is actually starting to talk about “extending” the
life of XP.
From:
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Martin,
Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup
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Good -
so when all the paltry "UNIX" distributions finally succumb to the mighty
Windows there won't be any debate over what name to put on the
tombstone. Windows has market share, which is far more important than
any standard. If you think a recognized standard or some other piece of
paper is going to keep you in business then you had better go talk to SCO.
In the mean time, I'd keep selling solutions to people's problems.
=P
-Jonathan
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Ed
Wilts
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 2:58 PM
To: Curtis
Preston
Cc: VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re:
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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Curtis Preston <cpreston AT glasshouse DOT com>
wrote:
After all these years, it still cracks me up that NetBackup
calls Unix
"Standard," which makes Windows and all other platforms,
"non-standard."
So what's your point? :-)
Unix is a
multi-vendor standard recognized by both ISO and IEEE. Windows is not a
standard from any standards body that I'm aware of. Even its trademark is
disputed in legal circles.
.../Ed
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