Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs. NetBackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
2008-04-10 09:27:14
The only right place right time part of
the success was being there when IBM came knocking. Even then Bill initially
sent them to Digital to get the OS and it was only because Digital didn’t
understand the marketing implications that they came back to Bill and he bought
QDOS. He was also smart enough to make sure the DOS license he gave to IBM was
non-exclusive – he made more money on the PC clones than he did on IBM.
I didn’t begrudge him DOS or even
Windows (we won’t talk about the lawsuit between MS an IBM). It was
when he did things like forcing hardware vendors to bundle in his other software
to be allowed to resell DOS/Windows and did other things that IMO were clearly
monopolistic tactics that I began to dislike M$. As I noted that opinion wasn’t
just mine – both the U.S. Department of Justice and the E.U. started
anti-trust investigations against him.
Don’t get me wrong I think Bill is
smart man but that is in the business arena. My original comment was that
lumping him in with people that were smart in the technical arena didn’t
make much sense. I doubt it concerns him – at several billion dollars I
doubt he will be crying that I don’t think he is on a par with Ritchie.
As for me I’m a command line type of
guy and find the limitations of a GUI based OS such as Windows maddening. The
funny thing is that so many recent adopters of Linux are so ingrained in GUI
that they have a hard time getting past the GUI tools it allows and realizing
how much power they get at the command line.
From: WEAVER, Simon
(external) [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008
5:58 AM
To: Clem Kruger; Jeff Lightner;
Haskins, Steve; Ed Wilts
Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim
Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs. NetBackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
I have a book about the growth of M$ and I can state that alot of their
success was "right place, right time".
Especially the early days of the venture with IBM, IBM-DOS, PC-DOS and
then MS-DOS/Windows 1
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Clem Kruger
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008
10:02 AM
To: Jeff Lightner; Haskins, Steve;
Ed Wilts
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Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs. NetBackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
Nah,
I do not like Bill
too much, BUT he was there at the right time and he will still be included with
those great and wonderful men. Denis is one of the most humble men I have ever
had the privilege of meeting!
Kind Regards,
Clem Kruger
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From: Jeff Lightner
[mailto:jlightner AT water DOT com]
Sent: 09 April 2008 15:14 PM
To: Clem Kruger; Haskins, Steve;
Ed Wilts
Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim
Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs. Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from 6.5
Lumping in a marketer like Bill Gates with
TECHNICAL experts like Dennis Ritchie is plain silly. Bill didn’t
“create” anything – he saw an opportunity when IBM came
knocking and bought QDOS to resell to IBM. (We won’t talk
about the fact that QDOS was pretty much believed to be a knock off of
CP/M). After DOS became the main OS for IBM PC compatible systems
he was able to force much of the rest of the world into dependence on his other
products not by their technical superiority but by practices that got the DOJ
in the U.S. to start an anti-trust action against him and the E.U. which has
now judged it as monopolistic twice.
By the way – I’m pretty sure
it was us old farts that were joking about old farts.
From: Clem Kruger
[mailto:Clem AT re-thinking-it DOT com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008
1:58 AM
To: Haskins, Steve; Ed Wilts; Jeff
Lightner
Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim
Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs. Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from 6.5
Can someone please explain what am "old fart" is?
There are only 3 certainties in
life, death, taxes and change. The last two we can control but death started
the day we were born.
Those of you who used the term
"Old Fart", just remember one day you will wake up and find yourself
much older and then you too will be offended by being called an old fart!
The changes we have seen through the
60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and now the 21st
century has made us better people and most of all we (old farts) are
disciplined. You needed to drop a try of cards once to understand discipline.
Will you be remembered when you are
gone? The old farts Bill Gates, Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson and many others
will be. Do you know why? Because they were the pioneers, because all we
had was a pair of pliers and some wire.
We never had memory leaks because
could not waste memory. Go and learn assembler and find out what a thrill it is
to do so much with very little.
I just hope that you are fit in mind
and body when it is your turn to be called an “old fart” so that
you can ask yourself “did I leave any foot prints others can
follow”?
I took offence, but now enjoy
remembering the program sheets, the cards and ticker tape. The something we
made from nothing. It is great to say we were part of the pioneers and just
hope the pioneering spirit will continue.
Enjoy your life and have some
compassion.
Regards,
Clem.
From:
veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu on behalf of Haskins, Steve
Sent: Wed 2008/04/09 05:19 AM
To: Ed Wilts; Jeff Lightner
Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim
Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs. Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from 6.5
And programming on punch cards…Oh,
what FUN!
From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:50
PM
To: Jeff Lightner
Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim
Horalek; VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn
vs Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp is gone from 6.5
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Lightner <jlightner AT water DOT com> wrote:
We now prefer to be called Chronologically Mature Methane
Producers or ChMMPs (NOT to be pronounced as Chimps so as not offend the
Evolutinarilly Challenged…)
An old fart like me can't remember a name *that* long. I can
remember paper tape though...
.../Ed (hiding out at SNW in the state that
defines old)
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