Huh?  I've got to say I think completely the opposite of you on this
one.  User directed backups are really hard to direct at a resource that
is limited by the number of drives.  I suppose you could multiplex, but
yuck.

Why wouldn't you point all user backups to disk?  It's very similar to
what I like to do with Redologs/logical logs/transaction logs.  When
it's time to back them up, it's time to back them up. They don't want to
wait for a tape drive.  So send them to disk.

Why wouldn't you want to send them to disk?

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W. Curtis Preston
Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com
VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies 

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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Justin
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Tapeless backup environments?

If you only do filesystem backups and not a lot of on-demand
user-database 
backups, you can probably get away with disk.  If you are doings 1,000s
of 
user-initiated database backups though, disk will not cut it unless you 
had a massive infrastructure.  Using LTO-3 or LTO-4 drives with 10GBps 
for example is much cheaper.

Justin.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, ckstehman AT pepco DOT com wrote:

> This was in response the the question about eliminating tapes.  The IT
> department of Discovery Channel uses DataDomain and
> NetApp for all their backups.  They are running Netbackup6.0MP5. We
had a
> tour sponsored by DataDomain.  We are considering
> going to disk based backups and are looking at VTL's and how all that
> stuff fits with Netbackup 6.5.  We will probably be upgrading
> to Netbackup 6.5 next year and adding some sort of disk based backup
> solution.  We are still evaluating vendors, no final decisions
> have been made.
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> Cartoon Network.
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> Did your post have a point?  Discovery Channel had a special on this?
> You?re annoyed at theoretical questions?  wtf?
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> Yesterday our director said that he doesn?t intend to ever upgrade
> existing STK L700 because eventually we?ll go tapeless as that is what
the
> industry is doing.   The idea being we?d have our disk backup devices
here
> (e.g. Data Domain) and transfer to offsite storage to another disk
device
> so as to eliminate the need for ever transporting tapes.
> It made me wonder if anyone was actually doing the above already or
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