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[Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers

2006-04-06 05:01:10
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers
From: simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net (WEAVER, Simon)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:01:10 +0100
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Hi Jonathan
Can I ask why everyone cannot do this? If the VM are live boxes (and I know
many sites that use them as live machines), would it not be easier to place
a netbackup client software on the boxes and just treat them as physical
machines, rather than use downtime, copy the files to an alternaitve
location and then back them up.
 
Yes it can be done your way, just wondering why the client cannot be
installed?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net> Simon.Weaver AT 
Astrium-eads DOT net

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From: Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) [mailto:JMARTI05 AT intersil DOT com] 
Sent: 05 April 2006 15:07
To: WEAVER, Simon; Hindle, Greg; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers


Not everyone can do this, but if you can spare the downtime I've scripted in
the past a brief suspend, File Copy to Another Directory and then Resume the
Virtual Session.  You can backup that copy of the system whenever is
convenient, and you have a simple way to restore.
 
-Jonathan

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[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, 
Simon
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:48 AM
To: 'Hindle, Greg'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers


Well think of the virtual server as a physical one. As long as it can
resolve name resolution, is not blocked by any firewalls, and can
communicate with its host netbackup server, should be ok.
 
We used to do this on NT4, so my guess is, not alot has changed :-) Its a
standard PC Client software on what it believes is a physical machine :-)
 
Thanks

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net> Simon.Weaver AT 
Astrium-eads DOT net

-----Original Message-----
From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:Greg.Hindle AT constellation DOT com] 
Sent: 05 April 2006 14:42
To: WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers


Yes it does. This was my t5hinkibng as well. But wanted to see how others
were handling virtual servers.
 


Greg 


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From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:29 AM
To: Hindle, Greg; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers


Greg
Are you referring to something like Virtual PC's or virtual Servers? VS that
are on a HOST Machine?
 
If so, what you could do is implement the Netbackup Client on EACH virtual
machine and ensure it can see the Master.
 
In theory, you should still be able to perform a backup of the "Virtual
Machine" and restore single files.
 
You should still backup the Master Host Machine too :-)
does this help?
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net> Simon.Weaver AT 
Astrium-eads DOT net

-----Original Message-----
From: Hindle, Greg [mailto:Greg.Hindle AT constellation DOT com] 
Sent: 05 April 2006 14:24
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers



Currently we backup up the hosting server that has the virtual server
directories. But running a restore means we have to restore the entire
server and we are not able to restore individual files. How does everyone
else backup virtual servers.


Greg 

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<DIV><SPAN class=698215708-06042006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff><STRONG><EM>Hi Jonathan</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=698215708-06042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Can I ask why everyone cannot do this? If the VM are live boxes 
(and I know many sites that use them as live machines), would it not be easier 
to place a netbackup client software on the boxes and just treat them as 
physical machines, rather than use downtime, copy the files to an alternaitve 
location and then back them up.</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=698215708-06042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=698215708-06042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Yes it can be done your way, just wondering why the client cannot 
be installed?</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
face=Arial><FONT 
color=#0000ff>Regards</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></P>
<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>Simon 
Weaver</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT 
face=Arial color=#0000a0 size=2><STRONG>3rd Line Technical Support<BR>Windows 
Domain Administrator</STRONG></FONT></EM><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><I><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>EADS Astrium 
Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb><BR><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 
5PU</EM></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Email: 
</EM></FONT><A href="mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net"><FONT 
face=Arial 
size=2><EM>Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net</EM></FONT></A></SPAN></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Martin, 
Jonathan 
  (Contractor) [mailto:JMARTI05 AT intersil DOT com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 April 
2006 
  15:07<BR><B>To:</B> WEAVER, Simon; Hindle, Greg; 
  veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] 
Backing 
  up virtual servers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=071390414-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Not everyone can do this, but if you can spare the 
  downtime I've scripted in the past a brief suspend, File Copy to Another 
  Directory and then Resume the Virtual Session.&nbsp; You can backup that copy 
  of the system whenever is convenient, and you have a simple way to 
  restore.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=071390414-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=071390414-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>-Jonathan</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
  <HR tabIndex=-1>
  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn 
DOT edu 
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
</B>WEAVER, 
  Simon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 05, 2006 9:48 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
'Hindle, 
  Greg'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
[Veritas-bu] 
  Backing up virtual servers<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=895024513-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff><STRONG><EM>Well think of the virtual server as a physical one. 
  As long as it can resolve name resolution, is not blocked by any firewalls, 
  and can communicate with its host netbackup server, should be 
  ok.</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=895024513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=895024513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff>We used to do this on NT4, so my guess is, not alot has changed 
  :-) Its a standard PC Client software on what it believes is a physical 
  machine :-)</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=895024513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=895024513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff>Thanks</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
  face=Arial><FONT 
  color=#0000ff>Regards</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
  face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>Simon 
  Weaver</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000a0 
  size=2><STRONG>3rd Line Technical Support<BR>Windows Domain 
  Administrator</STRONG></FONT></EM><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN lang=en-gb><I><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>EADS Astrium 
  Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb><BR><FONT 
face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 
  5PU</EM></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Email: 
  </EM></FONT><A href="mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net"><FONT 
face=Arial 
  size=2><EM>Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net</EM></FONT></A></SPAN></P>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hindle, Greg 
    [mailto:Greg.Hindle AT constellation DOT com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 April 
2006 
    14:42<BR><B>To:</B> WEAVER, Simon; 
    veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
[Veritas-bu] 
    Backing up virtual servers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=204004013-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff size=2>Yes it does. This was my t5hinkibng as well. But 
wanted 
    to see how others were handling virtual servers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf format --><BR>
    <P><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Greg 
    </FONT></SPAN></P><BR>
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
    <HR tabIndex=-1>
    <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> WEAVER, Simon 
    [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 
April 05, 
    2006 9:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Hindle, Greg; 
    veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
[Veritas-bu] 
    Backing up virtual servers<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff><STRONG><EM>Greg</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff>Are you referring to something like Virtual PC's or virtual 
    Servers? VS that are on a HOST Machine?</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff>If so,&nbsp;what you could do is implement the Netbackup 
    Client on EACH virtual machine and ensure it can see the 
    Master.</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff>In theory, you should still be able to perform a backup of 
the 
    "Virtual Machine" and restore single 
files.</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff>You should still backup the Master Host Machine too 
    :-)</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=225112513-05042006><STRONG><EM><FONT face=Arial 
    color=#0000ff>does this help?</FONT></EM></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
    face=Arial><FONT 
    color=#0000ff>Regards</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></P>
    <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
    face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>Simon 
    Weaver</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000a0 
    size=2><STRONG>3rd Line Technical Support<BR>Windows Domain 
    Administrator</STRONG></FONT></EM><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN lang=en-gb><I><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>EADS Astrium 
    Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb><BR><FONT 
    face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 
    5PU</EM></FONT></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Email: 
    </EM></FONT><A href="mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net"><FONT 
face=Arial 
    size=2><EM>Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net</EM></FONT></A></SPAN></P>
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      <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
      face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Hindle, 
Greg 
      [mailto:Greg.Hindle AT constellation DOT com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 April 
2006 
      14:24<BR><B>To:</B> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
      [Veritas-bu] Backing up virtual servers<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- 
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      <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Currently we backup up the hosting server that 
      has the virtual server directories. But running a restore means we have 
to 
      restore the entire server and we are not able to restore individual 
files. 
      How does everyone else backup virtual servers.</FONT></P><BR>
      <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>Greg</FONT> </P><PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
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