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I would agree with Paul. Synthetics are your solution.
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From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of
Mark.Donaldson AT cexp DOT com
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:48 PM
To: jpiszcz AT servervault DOT com; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Cc: dgirard AT servervault DOT com
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] [Incremental: (Differential + Cumulative)] + Full
Backup Policy Question
It'd be Day 0's backup, Day 28's backup, then the incremental from there.
The Cumulative is the changes since the previous full only.
One thing to consider is Day 366. If the full backups is expired and they
new full is on tape, you only have a base image from a day ago. If he wants
a restore for a fileset from three months ago, you might not have a
baseline.
The baseline backup has to be kept for twice the intended restoration
window.
Sucks, doesn't it.
-M
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Piszcz,
Justin
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:35 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Cc: Girard, Dan
Subject: [Veritas-bu] [Incremental: (Differential + Cumulative)] + Full
Backup Policy Question
I have a client that will be backing up a data set which:
1) The client needs a full backup every 90 days with incrementals
backups in between on a 1 year retention policy.
I explained to the client that doing differential-incrementals would be a
nightmare to do a full restore.
I then continued to explain that cumulative-incrementals would use a lot of
tapes.
I suggested the following:
Day 0: Perform full backup.
Day 1: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 2: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 3: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 4: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 5: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 6: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 7: Perform cumulative-incremental. ***
Day 8: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 9: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 10: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 11: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 12: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 13: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 14: Perform cumulative-incremental. ***
Day 15: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 16: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 17: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 18: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 19: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 20: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 21: Perform cumulative-incremental. ***
Day 22: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 23: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 24: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 25: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 26: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 27: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 28: Perform cumulative-incremental. **
Day 29: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 30: Perform differential-incremental.
Day 31: Perform differential-incremental.
Suppose at the end of the month the client wanted a FULL restoration of all
files, by using this method tell me if this is correct:
1) Restore Day 0's full backup.
2) Restore the cumulative backup from Day7, Day14, Day21,Day28.
3) Restore the differential-incremental backups from Day29,30,31.
Then I would have fully restored all of the files, correct?
Please let me know if this makes sense.
Thanks!
Justin.
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D513564211-10112005><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I would agree with Paul. Synthetics are your=20
solution.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<HR tabIndex=3D-1>
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> =
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>Mark.Donaldson AT cexp DOT com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005
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10:48=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> jpiszcz AT servervault DOT com;=20
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
dgirard AT servervault DOT com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] =
[Incremental:=20
(Differential + Cumulative)] + Full Backup Policy =
Question<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>It'd=20
be Day 0's backup, Day 28's backup, then the incremental from =
there. The=20
Cumulative is the changes since the previous full =
only.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>One=20
thing to consider is Day 366. If the full backups is expired and =
they new=20
full is on tape, you only have a base image from a day ago. If he =
wants a=20
restore for a fileset from three months ago, you might not have a=20
baseline.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
baseline backup has to be kept for twice the intended restoration=20
window.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Sucks,=20
doesn't it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D538354720-09112005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>-M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Piszcz,=20
Justin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:35 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Cc:</B> Girard, =
Dan<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[Veritas-bu] [Incremental: (Differential + Cumulative)] + Full Backup =
Policy=20
Question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a client that =
will be=20
backing up a data set which:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 =
lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The client needs a full =
backup=20
every 90 days with incrementals backups in between on a 1 year =
retention=20
policy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I explained to the =
client that=20
doing differential-incrementals would be a nightmare to do a full=20
restore.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I then continued to =
explain that=20
cumulative-incrementals would use a lot of =
tapes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I suggested the=20
following:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day =
0: Perform=20
full backup.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 1: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 2: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 3: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 4: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 5: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 6: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day =
7: Perform=20
cumulative-incremental. ***<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 8: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 9: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 10: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 11: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 12: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 13: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day =
14: Perform=20
cumulative-incremental. ***<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 15: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 16: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 17: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 18: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 19: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 20: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day =
21: Perform=20
cumulative-incremental. ***<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 22: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 23: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 24: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 25: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 26: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 27: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day =
28: Perform=20
cumulative-incremental. **<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 29: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 30: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Day 31: Perform=20
differential-incremental.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Suppose at the end of =
the month=20
the client wanted a FULL restoration of all files, by using this =
method tell=20
me if this is correct:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Restore Day 0's full=20
backup.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Restore the cumulative =
backup from=20
Day7, Day14, Day21,Day28.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 =
lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Restore the=20
differential-incremental backups from=20
Day29,30,31.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Then I would have fully =
restored=20
all of the files, correct?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please let me know if =
this makes=20
sense.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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