Also consider that the prices for NetBackup licenses on Windows boxes
tend to be higher than those for a comparable or better UNIX box.
Consider that a 2 CPU Windows box is in tier 2...the same tier as an 8
way SunFire v1280. I'm not trying to imply that the 1280 is in the same
class as the 2-way PC, but it seems that Veritas is, or is trying to
cash in somehow.
Charles Ballowe wrote:
>Given those requirements, I'd go with 3 v240s -- i don't know what the
>real prices are, I pay educational pricing. I think a 2 cpu, 2g ram
>v240 is at about $7K list -- but then you need the HBAs or whatever
>you're going to be using to connect to the tape drives. The HBAs can
>run $1-2K each.
>
>In the grand scheme of things, though, you're going to be paying more
>for the netbackup licenses than you are for hardware. 300 client
>licenses is something like $200K, database licenses are expensive, SSO
>licenses are expensive, tape drives are expensive. Server hardware
>isn't where your expense is going to come from. In any large software
>implementation, it's never the server hardware. Go with what you know
>and what work best for your environment. If your project budget is so
>tight that you need to trim 5% of the overall budget - re-evaluate
>that choice.
>
>-Charlie
>
>On 10/26/05, Guang Yu Liu <gliu AT macquarietelecom DOT com> wrote:
>
>
>>Thanks Dave,
>>Our projected size requirement will be upto 300 clients and 15T total full.
>>Most of our policies will be 1 full and six incremental per week. Assuming
>>20% change for incrementals we'd be looking about 5 - 7T per 8hr night
>>backup window. That'd be roughly 230MBps. Would one V440 be able to handle
>>this kind of throughput? The management has an argument that one V440 cost
>>more than three Windows boxes with similar (or better) speed. But if one
>>V440 can handle the load and more stable the argument would be stronger for
>>us.
>>
>>cheers
>>Guang
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Cornely, David [mailto:David_Cornely AT intuit DOT com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:51 PM
>>To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
>>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] choice of master/media server platform
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Well, I think it really depends on how much data you need to push to tape in
>>a given time frame and the growth you expect.
>>
>>It is true that Sun leaves a bit to be desired in their rather low number of
>>high-speed buses (I suspect market forces determine that type of thing) but
>>if it meets your needs then I say stick with Sun. We use a number of v440's
>>for media servers and spec'd them to push about 12TB a day with 4-6 hours to
>>spare. This has been the case and the fiber connected drives we use operate
>>wonderfully in terms of speed across these buses.
>>
>>
>>
>>I can say that in my experience tape drives in general are a lot less stable
>>on the Window's media servers that I've used, lots of ghost drives and
>>reboots are almost always part of fixing any little problem. Stick with a
>>Unix media server if at all possible.
>>
>>
>>
>>-Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf
>>Of Guang Yu Liu
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 19:00
>>To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
>>Subject: [Veritas-bu] choice of master/media server platform
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>> I know there were some debates before regarding OS choices for NBU
>>but I'd like to ask one particular question. This was coming from an
>>external consultant.
>>
>> Background: I am a Unix guys so normally are biased towards
>>stability/flexibility etc of *nix. But the consultant told us that since
>>backups are mainly using I/Os, the buses should be an important deciding
>>factor as well. He went out and found that even the most expensive of Sun
>>servers tend to have PCI buses with 66MHZ only (most with 33MHZ) and most of
>>the Intel boxes have 133MHZ PCI buses. He strongly suggested that we pick
>>Windows for that.
>>
>> Your opinions?
>>
>>many thanks
>>Guang
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