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[Veritas-bu] To use or not to use VSP?

2005-09-27 16:41:31
Subject: [Veritas-bu] To use or not to use VSP?
From: Scott.Chapman AT icbc DOT com (Chapman, Scott)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:41:31 -0700
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Any chance someone might have this whitepaper?
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Justin, it has been my experience that VSP is virtually useless for
regular file based backups . . . that said I don't think there is anyway
to get around it's use for flashbackup clients.  For the most part that
is the only time I use VSP on my windows clients, and I turn off VSP for
any clients that complain about not enough diskspace or if I happen to
be looking at the client properties for a client and it is turned on . .
.
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One thing that I found interesting when using VSP with flashbackup is
that you have to specify VSP because the windows client will use VSS if
you have to policy snapshot set to auto.

____________________________________________________________=20
Scott Chapman=20
Insurance Corporation of British Columbia - Victoria=20
ph: 250.414.7650  cell: 250.213.9295=20

        -----Original Message-----
        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Anthony
Tocco
        Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:46 AM
        To: Piszcz, Justin; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
        Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] To use or not to use VSP?
=09
=09

        There is a problem with VSP and virus scanning software there is
a white paper on this=20

        =20

=09
________________________________


        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Piszcz,
Justin
        Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:03 PM
        To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
        Subject: [Veritas-bu] To use or not to use VSP?

        =20

        So I would have to add each client in there and modify it
appropriately.

        Hm, currently I have the 4.5 clients such as: 50mb/150mb & VSP
on but disable snapshot and continue.

        Overall, is it worth using VSP at all?

        =20

        All it seems to do is produce errors and fill up the disk, and
the majority of files it fails for is big databases (30-200GB) that
cannot be backed up anyway.

        =20

        The work-around would be to add EACH of 200 clients or so (for
me) and then tell it to disable the snapshot and retry and then maintain
the list, etc, with 4.5, everything was set in one place, the client
host properties.

        =20

        Calling out to everyone - who uses VSP, is it really useful?

        =20

        Thanks,

=09
        Justin.

        =20

        =20

=09
________________________________


        From: King, Cheryl [mailto:cheryl.king AT intrado DOT com]=20
        Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:58 PM
        To: Piszcz, Justin
        Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Is it possible to turn VSP off with
NetBackup 5.1?

        =20

        Yes, in Host properties->Master, then select the master and go
to Client Attributes.  Add the client there and don't click Enable
Windows Open File Backup for this client.

        =20

=09
________________________________


        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Piszcz,
Justin
        Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:14 AM
        To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
        Subject: [Veritas-bu] Is it possible to turn VSP off with
NetBackup 5.1?

        Anyone?


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D318442120-27092005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Any=20
chance someone might have this whitepaper?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D318442120-27092005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D318442120-27092005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Justin, it has been my experience that VSP is virtually useless =
for=20
regular file based backups . . . that said I don't think there is anyway =
to get=20
around it's use for flashbackup clients.&nbsp; For the most part that is =
the=20
only time I use VSP on my windows clients, and I turn off VSP for any =
clients=20
that complain about not enough diskspace or if I happen to be looking at =
the=20
client properties for a client and it is turned on . . =
.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D318442120-27092005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D318442120-27092005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>One=20
thing that I found interesting when using VSP with flashbackup is that =
you have=20
to specify VSP because the windows client will use VSS if you have to =
policy=20
snapshot set to auto.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf =
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<P><SPAN lang=3Den-ca><B><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D1>____________________________________________________________</FO=
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<BR><SPAN lang=3Den-ca><B><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Scott =
Chapman</FONT></B></SPAN>=20
<BR><SPAN lang=3Den-ca><B><I><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Insurance =
Corporation of=20
British Columbia - Victoria</FONT></I></B></SPAN> <BR><SPAN =
lang=3Den-ca><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D1>ph: 250.414.7650&nbsp; cell:=20
250.213.9295</FONT><B></B><B></B><B></B></SPAN> </P>
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  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Anthony=20
  Tocco<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:46 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  Piszcz, Justin; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
RE:=20
  [Veritas-bu] To use or not to use VSP?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There is a =
problem=20
  with VSP and virus scanning software there is a white paper on this=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Piszcz, =
Justin<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 27, =
2005 1:03=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
  veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Veritas-bu] To use or =
not to=20
  use VSP?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So I would =
have to=20
  add each client in there and modify it=20
  appropriately.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hm, =
currently I have=20
  the 4.5 clients such as: 50mb/150mb &amp; VSP on but disable snapshot =
and=20
  continue.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Overall, is =
it worth=20
  using VSP at all?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">All it =
seems to do is=20
  produce errors and fill up the disk, and the majority of files it =
fails for is=20
  big databases (30-200GB) that cannot be backed up=20
  anyway.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The =
work-around would=20
  be to add EACH of 200 clients or so (for me) and then tell it to =
disable the=20
  snapshot and retry and then maintain the list, etc, with 4.5, =
everything was=20
  set in one place, the client host =
properties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Calling out =
to=20
  everyone &#8211; who uses VSP, is it really =
useful?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><BR>Justin.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma"> King,=20
  Cheryl [mailto:cheryl.king AT intrado DOT com] <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 27, =
2005 12:58=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Piszcz,=20
  Justin<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: =

  [Veritas-bu] Is it possible to turn VSP off with NetBackup=20
  5.1?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, in =
Host=20
  properties-&gt;Master, then select the master and go to Client=20
  Attributes.&nbsp; Add the client there and don't click Enable Windows =
Open=20
  File Backup for this client.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" =
align=3Dcenter><FONT=20
  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1 align=3Dcenter width=3D"100%" SIZE=3D2>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
  veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Piszcz, =
Justin<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 27, =
2005 10:14=20
  AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
  veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Veritas-bu] Is it =
possible to=20
  turn VSP off with NetBackup 5.1?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Anyone?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HT=
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