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[Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of incremental?

2005-07-14 12:55:10
Subject: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of incremental?
From: Robert.Stump.ctr AT dla DOT mil (Stump, Robert (Contractor) (J6B))
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:55:10 -0400
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EXACTLY!

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From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Williams,
Kristopher L
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:47 PM
To: Paul Keating; Veritas List
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of incremental?


I'm pretty sure it doesn't reset the archive bit on any files (even the
ones already backed up) until the whole job in finished. So it doesn't
"go back" and fix the archive bit if the job fails, it just waits until
the job finishes and clears the bit as the last step of the job.
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Thanks,
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Kris=20

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From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Paul
Keating
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:27 AM
To: Veritas List
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of incremental?


So it writes the archive bits on the fly, but if it fails, the client
goes back and "undoes" the archive bits?
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thanks.
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Paul

        -----Original Message-----
        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Stump,
Robert (Contractor) (J6B)
        Sent: July 14, 2005 8:31 AM
        To: Paul Keating; Veritas List
        Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of
incremental?
=09
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        If a full backup fails it undoes the archive bit thingy.

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        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Paul
Keating
        Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:20 AM
        To: Veritas List
        Subject: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of incremental?
=09
=09
        The thought just occurred to me this morning, as I was walking
into the office.....
        =20
        when you do an incremental backup, the client determines which
files to back up, based on archive bits, and various other things (on
windows, particularly.)
        =20
        So if you run a FULL backup on a machine and the backup gets
half way through, and then fails.....it has "touched" half the files on
the machine.
        =20
        if you do an incremental shortly after, the incremental "should"
be based on the previous successfull FULL, but if you had a failed FULL
touch a file, and it had changed since the previous successfull full,
but not since the previous failed full, if the incremental is only
looking at when the file was touched by a full, how would it know that
the previous full, which had touched the file, actually failed, and that
it SHOULD back that file up again.
        =20
        I think I've rambled a bit, and that may not be very
clear......if so, feel free to disregard as the ramblings of a lunatic.
        =20
        Paul
        =20
        =20


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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D985025516-14072005><FONT face=3DA=
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[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
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 Paul=20
Keating; Veritas List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, 
status of incremental?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D149344516-14072005><FONT face=3DA=
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm pretty sure it doesn't reset the archive bit o=
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files (even the ones already backed up) until the whole job in finished. So=
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job.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D149344516-14072005><FONT face=3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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rial=20
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><EM>Kris=20
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng DOT 
aubu=
rn.edu=20
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
</B>Paul 
Keating<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:27 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Veri=
tas=20
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of=20
incremental?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D937482814-14072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 si=
ze=3D2>So it=20
writes the archive bits on the fly, but if it fails, the client goes back a=
nd=20
"undoes" the archive bits?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D937482814-14072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D937482814-14072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 
size=3D2>thanks.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D937482814-14072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D937482814-14072005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#800000 
size=3D2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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NT=20
  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu=20
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
</B>Stum=
p,=20
  Robert (Contractor) (J6B)<BR><B>Sent:</B> July 14, 2005 8:31 AM<BR><B>To:=
</B>=20
  Paul Keating; Veritas List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] incomplete=
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  FULL, status of incremental?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D918003012-14072005><FONT face=3D=
Arial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>If a full backup fails it undoes the archive bit=
=20
  thingy.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng DOT 
au=
burn.edu=20
  [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
</B>Paul=
=20
  Keating<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ver=
itas=20
  List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Veritas-bu] incomplete FULL, status of=20
  incremental?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The tho=
ught just=20
  occurred to me this morning, as I was walking into the=20
  office.....</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DAr=
ial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>when yo=
u do an=20
  incremental backup, the client determines which files to back up, based o=
n=20
  archive bits, and various other things (on windows,=20
  particularly.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So if y=
ou run a=20
  FULL backup on a machine and the backup gets half way through, and then 
  fails.....it has "touched" half the files on the machine.</FONT></SPAN></=
DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if you =
do an=20
  incremental shortly after, the incremental "should" be based on the previ=
ous=20
  successfull FULL, but if you had a failed FULL touch a file, and it had 
  changed since the previous successfull full, but not since the previous f=
ailed=20
  full, if the incremental is only looking at when the file was touched by =
a=20
  full, how would it know that the previous full, which had touched the fil=
e,=20
  actually failed, and that it SHOULD back that file up=20
  again.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think=
 I've=20
  rambled a bit, and that may not be very clear......if so, feel free to 
  disregard as the ramblings of a lunatic.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>Paul</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D857271412-14072005><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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