Veritas-bu
[Top] [All Lists]
<prev [Date] next>
[Advanced]
 <prev [Thread] next>

[Veritas-bu] RE : Automation for Veritas Netbackup environment

2004-12-10 04:14:40
Subject: [Veritas-bu] RE : Automation for Veritas Netbackup environment
From: Mulder_W AT mtn.co DOT za (Winnie Mulder [ MTN - Innovation Centre ])
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:14:40 +0200 
Hi,

We run Veritas with CA-TNG in an environment where there is a
masterserver and 9 mediaservers, connected to a STK robot with 20
drives. We have about 50 clients on the masterserver. We duplicate this
to another site.

Question : What do other people do wrt automation of backup jobs,
restores - the scheduler kicks of jobs, but, around monitoring and
escalation if a backup overrun, mediaserver process dies, masterserver
looses network connection, etc. How do other people monitor the Veritas
environment via the automated monitoring agent, in our case CA TNG..



Any automation input welcome to assist with monitoring, escalations etc.

Thanx

Winnie



-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of
veritas-bu-request AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Sent: Thursday, 09 December 2004 8:07 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Veritas-bu digest, Vol 1 #3662 - 6 msgs

Send Veritas-bu mailing list submissions to
        veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
        http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
        veritas-bu-request AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu

You can reach the person managing the list at
        veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Veritas-bu digest..."


Today's Topics:

   1. backups shows begin writing (Khan Imran A)
   2. RE: backups shows begin writing (Stewart, Brian C)
   3. Backing up Netapss (Dan Logcher)
   4. RE: Backing up Netapss (Jennifer Hooper)
   5. RE: Backing up Netapss (Conner, Neil)
   6. Re: Backing up Netapss (Jason Helfman)

--__--__--

Message: 1
From: Khan Imran A <Imran.a.Khan AT uk.fujitsu DOT com>
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:32:48 -0000 
Subject: [Veritas-bu] backups shows begin writing

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFB.F46E36D0
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi 

 

System is a windows 2000 environment with 4.5 DC 

 

1 backup server and 18 clients backing up over Gigabit LAN to library
attached to backup server

 

2 clients ( windows domain controllers) when backing up C:\ & system
state
the jobs show begin writing and freeze there until cancelled.

 

When looking at task manager shows a few bpbkar32 processes, rebooted
resolves the issue but keeps coming back

 

Any ideas??

 

Kind Regards,

 

Imran Khan

 


------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFB.F46E36D0
Content-Type: text/html

<html>

<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii">


<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">

<style>
<!--
 /* Style Definitions */
 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
        {color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
p
        {margin-right:0cm;
        margin-left:0cm;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman";}
span.EmailStyle17
        {font-family:Arial;
        color:windowtext;}
@page Section1
        {size:595.3pt 841.9pt;
        margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}
div.Section1
        {page:Section1;}
-->
</style>

</head>

<body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple>

<div class=Section1>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi </span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>System is a windows 2000 environment with 4.5 DC
</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1 backup server and 18 clients backing up over
Gigabit LAN
to library attached to backup server</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2 clients ( windows domain controllers) when backing
up C:\ &amp;
system state the jobs show begin writing and freeze there until
cancelled.</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When looking at task manager shows a few bpbkar32
processes,
rebooted resolves the issue but keeps coming back</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any ideas??</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Kind Regards,</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Imran Khan</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

</div>

</body>

</html>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFB.F46E36D0--

--__--__--

Message: 2
From: "Stewart, Brian C" <StewaBC AT NORTHAMERICA.Stortek DOT com>
To: "'Khan Imran A'" <Imran.a.Khan AT uk.fujitsu DOT com>,
   veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] backups shows begin writing
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:05:03 -0500 


This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFF.8A2BE793
Content-Type: text/plain

Are your tape drives attached to a SAN with Fibre? or are the Direct
SCSI?
 
I have seen issues very similar to this;
 
1) If the devices are Fibre Attached make sure you are not using any
sort of
SAN Management Tool. Compaq has one, HP has one, Tivoli SAN Manager is a
nother. I think Q-Logic has one as well. These tools send a soft reset
on
the Fibre Channel every once and a while that interrupts the backup. The
job
tries to recover and before it can it gets hit again. I have had to use
a
Fibre Channel Analyser to catch this in some cases. 
 
2) Ensure that the Windows Removable Storage Manager is disabled. With
Windows 2000 SP4 and Windows 2003 windows will send a scsi probe on the
SCSI/Fibre bus. This probe determines if a tape drive is loaded and it
attempts to read the label. This is very similar to the auto mount
feature
of a CDROM on a windows system. Windows 2003 actually requires a
registry
hack to disable this default behaviour, even with RSM disabled.
 
 
 
Both are very common for causing performance issues with a Windows
Server.
Job starts out properly and then gets slower, slower and slower...
 
Just my unreliable 2 cents
 

-----Original Message-----


System is a windows 2000 environment with 4.5 DC 

 

1 backup server and 18 clients backing up over Gigabit LAN to library
attached to backup server

 

2 clients ( windows domain controllers) when backing up C:\ & system
state
the jobs show begin writing and freeze there until cancelled.

 

When looking at task manager shows a few bpbkar32 processes, rebooted
resolves the issue but keeps coming back

 

Any ideas?? 

 

 

 

 


------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFF.8A2BE793
Content-Type: text/html

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=US-ASCII">
<TITLE>Message</TITLE>

<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1479" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 595.3pt 841.9pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt
72.0pt 90.0pt; }
P.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New
Roman"
}
LI.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New
Roman"
}
DIV.MsoNormal {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New
Roman"
}
A:link {
        COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
        COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
A:visited {
        COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
        COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
P {
        FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm;
FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
SPAN.EmailStyle17 {
        COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial
}
DIV.Section1 {
        page: Section1
}
</STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY lang=EN-GB vLink=purple link=blue>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>Are 
your tape drives attached to a SAN with Fibre? or are the Direct 
SCSI?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>I have 
seen issues very similar to this;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>1) If 
the devices are Fibre Attached make sure you are not using any sort of
SAN 
Management Tool. Compaq has one, HP has one, Tivoli SAN Manager is a
nother. I 
think Q-Logic has one as well. These tools send a soft reset on the
Fibre 
Channel every once and a while that interrupts the backup. The job tries
to 
recover and before it can it gets hit again. I have had to use a Fibre
Channel 
Analyser to catch this in some cases. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>2) 
Ensure that the Windows Removable Storage Manager is disabled. With
Windows 2000 
SP4 and Windows 2003 windows will send a scsi probe on the SCSI/Fibre
bus. This 
probe determines if a tape drive is loaded and it attempts to read the
label. 
This is very similar to the auto mount feature of a CDROM on a windows
system. 
Windows 2003 actually requires a registry hack to disable this default 
behaviour, even with RSM disabled.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>Both 
are very common for causing performance issues with a Windows Server.
Job starts 
out properly and then gets slower, slower and
slower...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=314195814-09122004>Just 
my unreliable 2 cents</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">System is a windows 2000 
  environment with 4.5 DC </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1 backup server and 18
clients 
  backing up over Gigabit LAN to library attached to backup 
  server</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2 clients ( windows domain

  controllers) when backing up C:\ &amp; system state the jobs show
begin 
  writing and freeze there until cancelled.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When looking at task
manager shows 
  a few bpbkar32 processes, rebooted resolves the issue but keeps coming

  back</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Any 
  ideas??<SPAN class=314195814-09122004><FONT 
  color=#0000ff>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><SPAN 
  class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><SPAN 
  class=314195814-09122004></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial"><SPAN 
  class=314195814-09122004>&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------_=_NextPart_001_01C4DDFF.8A2BE793--

--__--__--

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:15:26 -0500
From: Dan Logcher <dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU>
To: "'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'"
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss

Does anyone have any experience doing this?

We have a user that wants to start backing up this
mess, and it's been years since I've even touched
a Netapp.

-- 
Dan


--__--__--

Message: 4
From: Jennifer Hooper <jennifer.hooper AT peregrine DOT com>
To: "'Dan Logcher'" <dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU>,
   "'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'"
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:59:39 -0800 

You need to use either straight NDMP or Remote NDMP.  We use Remote NDMP
here, but I have no idea how that works or is configured yet, because
the
previous admins saw fit not to clue me in.  (anyone want to help???)

Thanks!

Jen  

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Logcher [mailto:dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM
To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss

Does anyone have any experience doing this?

We have a user that wants to start backing up this mess, and it's been
years
since I've even touched a Netapp.

--
Dan

_______________________________________________
Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu

--__--__--

Message: 5
From: "Conner, Neil" <neil AT mbari DOT org>
To: "'Dan Logcher'" <dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU>,
   "'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'"
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:10:19 -0800 

You'll want to get an NDMP license and a locally attached SCSI backup
device for the Netapp (I think that's still are requirement but I could
be wrong).  Check the version of Data OnTap for compatibility with DAR
(direct access restore).  You don't need DAR, but without it the entire
backup image must be read for even a single file.

-Neil


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Logcher [mailto:dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM
To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss


Does anyone have any experience doing this?

We have a user that wants to start backing up this
mess, and it's been years since I've even touched
a Netapp.

-- 
Dan

_______________________________________________
Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu

--__--__--

Message: 6
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:00:19 -0800
From: Jason Helfman <jason.helfman AT ticketmaster DOT com>
To: "Conner, Neil" <neil AT mbari DOT org>
CC: "'Dan Logcher'" <dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU>,
   "'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'"
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss



NOTE: This e-mail message is subject to the MTN Group disclaimer see 
http://www.mtn.co.za/default.aspx?pid=34411


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

You'll also need to look at the NDMP Administrator's Guide. It will walk
~ you through setting up the NDMP devices and authentication.

Jason

Conner, Neil wrote:
| You'll want to get an NDMP license and a locally attached SCSI backup
device for the Netapp (I think that's still are requirement but I could
be wrong).  Check the version of Data OnTap for compatibility with DAR
(direct access restore).  You don't need DAR, but without it the entire
backup image must be read for even a single file.
|
| -Neil
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Dan Logcher [mailto:dlogcher AT MIT DOT EDU]
| Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 8:15 AM
| To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
| Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss
|
|
| Does anyone have any experience doing this?
|
| We have a user that wants to start backing up this
| mess, and it's been years since I've even touched
| a Netapp.
|

- --
Jason G Helfman, Ticketmaster
8800 W. Sunset Blvd.
West Hollywood, CA 90069
213/739-5174 Direct
310/345-1554 Cell
310/360-3300 Main
jason.helfman AT ticketmaster DOT com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFBuJKzE8NXcvhlySYRAqS3AJ9QA0kwNz8dZ+xSpCqbrfo1sKmq3wCfU29U
+1e+jDijfVHCq5c5z3LqJq4=
=0dK4
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


--__--__--

_______________________________________________
Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu


End of Veritas-bu Digest


NOTE: This e-mail message is subject to the MTN Group disclaimer see 
http://www.mtn.co.za/default.aspx?pid=34411
[More with this subject...]
<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>
  • [Veritas-bu] RE : Automation for Veritas Netbackup environment, Winnie Mulder [ MTN - Innovation Centre ] <=
Previous by Date:  [Veritas-bu] List of files backed up needed, TLake AT LANDAM DOT com
Next by Date:  [Veritas-bu] Backing up Netapss, william.d.brown AT gsk DOT com
Previous by Thread:  [Veritas-bu] List of files backed up needed, TLake AT LANDAM DOT com
Next by Thread:  [Veritas-bu] How the media manager works from master, Dave Markham
Indexes:  [Date] [Thread] [Top] [All Lists]