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it's also required if you want to "scale" the L700e by daisy-chaining two
of them together... and two is the limit.
that's one of my biggest complaints about the L700. here are my issues
with it...
1.) doors on 3 sides creates a horrible footprint and makes placing it in
a tight location more difficult.
2.) it also makes daisy-chaining difficult for them which is why they
limit it to two
3.) they require ACSLS to daisy-chain. Instead of putting the "brains" in
the software on the library (and others do it this way), they chose to put
it in an external application (typical of STK, IBM, EMC or other big
companies), which can "lock" you into their solution. Same thing with
"virtualizing" the library. Requires ACSLS (as pointed out below) instead
of putting the logic in the library itself.
4.) the second power supply is not "redundant" enough in my mind. the
robotics will work off of either power supply, the way it should be...
lose a power source or power supply/PDU and everything keeps working. the
drives are physically tied to one power supply or the other. and to make
matters worse, they don't bring this up when you're setting up the library
and half of the field techs seem to overlook it as well. I've seen
multiple libraries setup by STK where 10 or fewer drives are ordered and
the second power supply/PDU is ordered by the user as a standard practice
to always provide redundant power. the STK installer throws the drives in
without reconfiguring the power cables behind the power supplies and all
10 are tied to the same power supply. you lose that power source and the
robotics are fine but everything else dies!!!
all that said, they are reliable.
- Scott
PSPOTTS AT geisinger DOT edu
01/29/2004 06:22 AM
To: Andrew AT zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu, Ashby AT
zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu,
<ashby AT hersheys DOT com>, scott.kendall AT abbott DOT com
cc: Eisenhardt AT zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu, Mark
<Mark.Eisenhardt AT hughessupply DOT com>, veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT
edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration
We have been using the L700 with SSO and LTO-2 drives for about 6 months.
Over all it has been good. We've had one bad drive and a micro-code issue.
ACSLS is only needed if you want to share the Lib. with other backup
systems.
Paul Spotts
Server Management Group
(570)271-5180
pspotts AT geisinger DOT edu
>>> <scott.kendall AT abbott DOT com> 1/29/04 1:21:48 AM >>>
There is a "lite" version of ACSLS for Windows called Horizon... something
or other (or at least there used to be). I'm sure one of the STK guys
would be glad to talk to you offline about it if you wish.
If someone told you that you HAD to have ACSLS in order to use SSO in
NetBackup, that was incorrect. It works just fine configured as a normal
library (e.g. TLD). Only one of the media servers will be the Robotic
Control Host, which is a single point of failute to some extent (doesn't
stop others from reading/writing to tapes already mounted, just can't do
anything with the robotics), but with ACSLS, unless you cluster it with
something, then that becomes your single point of failure.
- Scott
"Ashby, Andrew" <ashby AT hersheys DOT com>
Sent by: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
01/27/2004 01:58 PM
To: "Mark Eisenhardt" <Mark.Eisenhardt AT hughessupply DOT com>,
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
cc:
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration
We have an STK L700 for our NT environment. Works well for us. We are
using ACSLS to control the robot. ACSLS cannot be run on Windows which
introduces a support issue. However, its not been a problem for us.
At the moment we are not using SSO. I'd rather not use ACSLS for robot
control, but we implemented based on SSO in our future.
My 2 cents
Andrew
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Mark
Eisenhardt
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:37 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration
We are currently looking to add a tape library to our Veritas Netbackup
environment and would like some opinions on the 3 that we are currently
choosing between.
All would be LTO2 drives in a SAN environment.
1. HP Akula
2. Storage Tek L700 - L700E
3. ADIC Scalar i2K
Any and all comments on these libraries would be appreciated. ( i.e. Works
great or Hate one because of problems, lack of vendor support etc. )
Thank you,
Mark Eisenhardt
Sr. Systems Administrator
407-822-2483
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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">it's also required if you want to
"scale" the L700e by daisy-chaining two of them together... and two
is the limit.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">that's one of my biggest complaints about the
L700. here are my issues with it...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">1.) doors on 3 sides creates a horrible footprint
and makes placing it in a tight location more difficult.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">2.) it also makes daisy-chaining difficult for
them which is why they limit it to two</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">3.) they require ACSLS to daisy-chain. Instead of
putting the "brains" in the software on the library (and others do it
this way), they chose to put it in an external application (typical of STK,
IBM, EMC or other big companies), which can "lock" you into their
solution. Same thing with "virtualizing" the library.
Requires ACSLS (as pointed out below) instead of putting the logic in the
library itself.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">4.) the second power supply is not
"redundant" enough in my mind. the robotics will work off of
either power supply, the way it should be... lose a power source or power
supply/PDU and everything keeps working. the drives are physically tied
to one power supply or the other. and to make matters worse, they don't
bring this up when you're setting up the library and half of the field techs
seem to overlook it as well. I've seen multiple libraries setup by STK
where 10 or fewer drives are ordered and the second power supply/PDU is ordered
by the user as a standard practice to always provide redundant power. the
STK installer throws the drives in without reconfiguring the power cables
behind the power supplies and all 10 are tied to the same power supply.
you lose that power source and the robotics are fine but everything else
dies!!!</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">all that said, they are reliable.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">- Scott</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>PSPOTTS AT geisinger DOT edu</b></font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">01/29/2004 06:22 AM</font>
<br>
<td><font size=1 face="Arial"> </font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"> To:
Andrew AT zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu, Ashby AT
zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu, <ashby AT hersheys DOT com>, scott.kendall AT
abbott DOT com</font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"> cc:
Eisenhardt AT zixvpm01.geisinger DOT edu, Mark
<Mark.Eisenhardt AT hughessupply DOT com>, veritas-bu AT
mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"> Subject:
RE: [Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration</font></table>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">We have been using the L700 with SSO
and LTO-2 drives for about 6 months. Over all it has been good. We've had one
bad drive and a micro-code issue. </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">ACSLS is only needed if you want to
share the Lib. with other backup systems. </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">Paul Spotts<br>
Server Management Group <br>
(570)271-5180</font><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u><br>
</u></font><a href=mailto:pspotts AT geisinger DOT edu><font size=3 color=blue
face="Times New Roman"><u>pspotts AT geisinger DOT edu</u></font></a>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
>>> <scott.kendall AT abbott DOT com> 1/29/04 1:21:48 AM
>>><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
There is a "lite" version of ACSLS for Windows called Horizon...
something or other (or at least there used to be). I'm sure one of the
STK guys would be glad to talk to you offline about it if you wish.</font><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
If someone told you that you HAD to have ACSLS in order to use SSO in
NetBackup, that was incorrect. It works just fine configured as a normal
library (e.g. TLD). Only one of the media servers will be the Robotic
Control Host, which is a single point of failute to some extent (doesn't stop
others from reading/writing to tapes already mounted, just can't do anything
with the robotics), but with ACSLS, unless you cluster it with something, then
that becomes your single point of failure.</font><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"> <br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
- Scott</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font>
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<td width=31%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Ashby, Andrew"
<ashby AT hersheys DOT com></b></font><font size=3 face="Times New
Roman"> </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
Sent by: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">01/27/2004 01:58 PM</font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </font>
<td width=66%><font size=1 face="Arial">
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
To: "Mark
Eisenhardt" <Mark.Eisenhardt AT hughessupply DOT com>,
<veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu></font><font size=3 face="Times
New Roman"> </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
cc: </font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: RE:
[Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration</font></table>
<br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
We have an STK L700 for our NT environment. Works well for us. We
are using ACSLS to control the robot. ACSLS cannot be run on Windows
which introduces a support issue. However, its not been a problem for
us.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
At the moment we are not using SSO. I'd rather not use ACSLS for robot
control, but we implemented based on SSO in our future.</font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
My 2 cents</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
Andrew</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font>
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From:</b> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mark Eisenhardt<b><br>
Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:37 PM<b><br>
To:</b> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<b><br>
Subject:</b> [Veritas-bu] Tape Library consideration</font><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
We are currently looking to add a tape library to our Veritas Netbackup
environment and would like some opinions on the 3 that we are currently
choosing between.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font
size=2 face="Arial"><br>
All would be LTO2 drives in a SAN environment.</font><font size=3 face="Times
New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
1. HP Akula</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
face="Arial"><br>
2. Storage Tek L700 - L700E</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
3. ADIC Scalar i2K</font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"> </font><font
size=2 face="Arial"> </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 color=#000080 face="Arial"><br>
Any and all comments on these libraries would be appreciated. ( i.e. Works
great or Hate one because of problems, lack of vendor support etc.
)</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Thank you,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2
color=#000080 face="Bookman Old Style"><b><i><br>
Mark Eisenhardt</i></b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font
size=2 color=#800000 face="Bookman Old Style"><br>
Sr. Systems Administrator</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 color=#0080c0 face="Bookman Old Style"><b><br>
407-822-2483 </b></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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