Something else to consider: NBU does barely half of what it claims right
out of the box.  You'll need to become a scripting wizard or spend even
more money on add-on products (Bocada and Advanced Reporter come to
mind, not to mention Vertices and Vault).

~JK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Hohmann [mailto:Andreas.Hohmann AT diwega DOT ch]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:24 PM
> To: George Lavrov
> Cc: veritas-bu AT eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backbone's NetVault versus NetBackup
> 
> My few thoughts about this topic:
> 
> > ..lack of support for backup groups
> 
> NetVault7 supports backup groups, i.e. one policy for several clients
> (You're right, this was one of the weaknesses of the product in
version
> 6.5).
> 
> More BakBone Pros: - Excellent NDMP support (and all
ndmp-configuration
> can be done within the same gui.)
>                        - Support of all NDMP transfer models defined
(e.g.
> send unix/windows data to drive attached to filer)
>                        - easy device sharing with ndmp and
Unix/Windows in a
> SAN
>                        - Consolidation of incremental backups to a new
full
> backup
>                        - no multiplexing means no need to demultiplex
for
> faster restores,
>                        - ...
> 
> > Media management is too simplistic (unless you are using barcodes ..
> > NetBackup v.4.5 is enterprise class backup software ...
> 
> Yes, Media management seems to be simplistic however I never saw an
> enterprise installation without barcodes.
> 
> I'm convinced that in large installations NetVault (especially version
7)
> doesn't give you more headache than you would get with NetBackup.
> 
> Andreas Hohmann
> 
> Diwega GmbH
> Birmensdorferstr. 24
> CH-8902 Urdorf
> 
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> http://www.diwega.ch
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Lavrov [mailto:glavrov AT mail DOT com]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2003 07:52
> To: 'bevan.broun AT adi-limited DOT com'; 'veritas-bu AT eng.auburn DOT edu'
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backbone's NetVault versus NetBackup
> 
> 
> NetVault v.6.5
> 
> Pros: Simple to manage; file system backup process is faster than
Veritas
> or
> Legato; has number of database's and email plugins, full NDMP support.
> 
> Cons: Media management is too simplistic (unless you are using
barcodes
> and
> single type of media AND not planning to change the pattern any time
> soon);
> lack of multistreaming and multiplexing (ability to send multiple
streams
> of
> data from one client and combine multiple streams of data from number
of
> clients to a single drive and lack of support for backup groups
(backup
> schedules for each client, not group of the clients)
> 
> NetBackup v.4.5 is enterprise class backup software and has all the
above
> mentioned functionalities as well as options to backup to the multiple
> location, SAN backups, drive and library sharing, somewhat more
options
> for
> DR support.
> 
> Even so it is slower in speed to NetVault, it has way more
functionality,
> but as you say its also much more expensive. And you need to learn how
to
> use it and troubleshoot it. For a beginner (Veritas) may seems to be
too
> complex, and some training classes are recommended (also $$).
> 
> Bottom line, NetVault is better (in my opinion) than Backup Exec and
more
> than sufficient in management for 10 - 15 clients and single
(supported)
> library. If your environment will grow, move to or use SAN storage,
file
> systems and databases with a few hundred Gigs in size, than NetBackup
is
> what you really need.
> 
> In any case I suggest you take a look at W. Curtis Preston's RFI for
> backup
> software http://www.backupcentral.com/rfi.html, select those questions
> that
> would apply to your environment. Than send them out to your local
sales
> reps
> for each company and see what they going to say.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> George Lavrov, MCSE
> glavrov AT mail DOT com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Broun, Bevan [mailto:bevan.broun AT adi-limited DOT com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:24 PM
> To: veritas-bu AT eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backbone's NetVault versus NetBackup
> 
> I need to choose between NetBackup and NetVault. Actually Ive already
gone
> half way down a NetBackup solution (producing all the documentation,
but
> not purchased the software) when I heard about NetVault and Im
interested
> in looking at the product.
> 
> Im asking the list if anyone has some experiance of NetVault and
NetBackup
> and which they think is best. Price wise for me, NetVault is going to
be a
> lot cheaper - this is mostly because we need NetBackup DataCenter at
two
> sites (more than the 8 clients) and NetBackup then starts getting
> expensive. We are looking at $A1700 per client license for NetBackup
and
> only about $A250 for NetVault.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> BB
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