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[Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2

2003-06-02 14:27:13
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2
From: RMarkham AT hafeleamericas DOT com (Markham, Richard)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:27:13 -0400
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well it certainly could be a multitude of things.  if you want, post your
vm.conf and tpconfig -d.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Neal [mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:48 PM
To: 'Markham, Richard'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2


No change in IP for quite some time
There is only one server and it has been rebooted multiple times since this
problem occured.
# more bp.conf
SERVER = backup
CLIENT_NAME = backup
 
Which is my server name.  Any idea what else could be causing the error 16?
 
This is a single server with the L1000 hooked directly to it, so I would
think the network would not be involved.
 
 

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MCI GNMSS - OSS
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VNET: 838-6915
Sametime: wes.neal
  

-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Markham,
Richard
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:33 AM
To: 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2



i'd say its more of a connection problem as opposed to drive problem. 

(1) has there been any change in ip 
(2) have you bounced services on both master and media 
(3) are the appropriate server= entries in bp.conf on both master media 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wes Neal [ mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com <mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT 
com> ] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:27 AM 
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2 


Says it is up: 

Device Robot Drive       Robot                    Drive   Device 
Second 
Type     Num Index  Type DrNum Status  Comment    Name    Path 
Device Path 
robot      0    -    TLD    -       -  -          -       /dev/sg/c2t0l0 
  drive    -    0    dlt    1      UP  -          Drive0  /dev/rmt/0cbn 


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Wes Neal 
MCI GNMSS - OSS 
(813)829-6915 
VNET: 838-6915 
Sametime: wes.neal 
  

-----Original Message----- 
From: Teklu, Daniel [ mailto:daniel.teklu AT tfn DOT com
<mailto:daniel.teklu AT tfn DOT com> ] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:21 AM 
To: 'Wes Neal'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2 


Check if the drive is down? I get that when my drive is down. Check the 
status by 

# ./tpconfig -l 

if it is down, try to bring it up by 

# ./vmoprcmd -up Drive_Index 

Good Luck 
Daniel 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wes Neal [ mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com <mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT 
com> ] 
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:10 AM 
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2 


Howdy people, hopefully someone can give me some insight on this.  I 
have had this implementation of Netbackup 3.2 running for about 3 hours 
without a hitch and suddenly about 4 weeks ago it quit working.  I am 
running Solaris 7.  Basically whatever Netbackup tries to do it gets an 
error 219 or 213.  Here is a snippet from the bpsched log: 

10:38:24 [1787] <4> bpsched: INITIATING... 
10:38:24 [1787] <2> logparams: /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/bpsched 10:38:24 
[1787] <4> bpsched_main: wait_on_que=0, timeout_in_que=36000, 
reread_interval=30 0,queue_on_error=0, bptm_query_timeout=480 10:38:24 
[1787] <4> db_ATTDEFS: Class_att_defs protocol 3.2 10:38:24 [1787] <4> 
bpsched_main: VSMInit () failed: 2d 
10:38:24 [1787] <4> ?:   post process images:   yes 
10:38:24 [1787] <4> ?:   keep tir:   yes 
10:38:25 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 689 
10:38:26 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 529 
10:38:27 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947 
10:38:28 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 783 
10:38:29 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 593 
10:38:30 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 1017 
10:38:31 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 787 
10:38:32 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 695 
10:38:33 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 561 
10:38:34 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 641 
10:38:35 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947 
10:38:36 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 799 
10:38:37 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 721 
10:38:38 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 873 
10:38:39 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 787 
10:38:40 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 647 
10:38:41 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 945 
10:38:42 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 817 
10:38:43 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947 
10:38:44 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 815 
10:38:45 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 849 
10:38:46 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 729 
10:38:47 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 787 
10:38:48 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 663 
10:38:49 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 817 
10:38:50 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 929 
10:38:51 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947 
10:38:52 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 831 
10:38:53 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 977 
10:38:54 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 585 
10:38:55 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 787 
10:38:56 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 871 
10:38:56 [1787] <16> getsockconnected: exceeded timeout of 30 seconds 
10:38:56 [1787] <2> getsockconnected: sockfd:-1 timo:32 10:38:56 [1787] 
<16> bpcr_connect: Can't connect to client backup 10:38:56 [1787] <16> 
start_bptm: connection refused by host backup 10:38:56 [1787] <16> 
get_stunits: get_num_avail_drives failed with stat 204 10:38:56 [1787] 
<4> get_db_info: no available storage units 10:38:56 [1787] <8> 
bpsched_main: failed getting database information 10:38:56 [1787] <16> 
log_in_errorDB: scheduler exiting - no storage units available for u se 
(213) 10:38:56 [1787] <16> bpsched: scheduler exiting - no storage units 
available for use (213 
) 

I have not seen these before.  Any help would be much appreciated. 

Thanks 
Wes 


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=940172618-02062003>well 
it certainly could be a multitude of things.&nbsp; if you want, post your 
vm.conf and tpconfig -d.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=940172618-02062003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wes Neal 
  [mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 02, 2003 1:48 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Markham, Richard'; 
  veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu] 
Problem 
  with Netbackup 3.2<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=860004617-02062003>No 
  change in IP for quite some time</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=860004617-02062003>There is only one server and it has been rebooted 
  multiple times since this problem occured.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=860004617-02062003># 
  more bp.conf<BR>SERVER = backup<BR>CLIENT_NAME = backup</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=860004617-02062003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=860004617-02062003>Which is my server name.&nbsp; Any idea what else 
  could be causing the error 16?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=860004617-02062003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=860004617-02062003>This 
  is a single server with the L1000 hooked directly to it, so I would think the 
  network would not be involved.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <P><FONT size=2>----<BR>Wes Neal<BR>MCI GNMSS - OSS<BR>(813)829-6915<BR>VNET: 
  838-6915<BR>Sametime: wes.neal<BR>&nbsp;</FONT> </P>
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    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
    face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
    veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
    [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <B>On Behalf Of 
    </B>Markham, Richard<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 02, 2003 11:33 
    AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
edu'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
    [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <P><FONT size=2>i'd say its more of a connection problem as opposed to 
drive 
    problem. </FONT></P>
    <P><FONT size=2>(1) has there been any change in ip</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>(2) have you bounced services on both master and media</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>(3) are the appropriate server= entries in bp.conf on both 
    master media</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: 
Wes 
    Neal [<A href="mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com">mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT 
com</A>]</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:27 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=2>Says it is up:</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>Device Robot Drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    
Robot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 
    Drive&nbsp;&nbsp; Device</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Second</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>Type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Num Index&nbsp; Type DrNum Status&nbsp; 
    Comment&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Path</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>Device Path</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>robot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TLD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp; 
    -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /dev/sg/c2t0l0</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>&nbsp; drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dlt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    UP&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    Drive0&nbsp; /dev/rmt/0cbn</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=2>----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Wes Neal</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>MCI GNMSS - OSS</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>(813)829-6915</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>VNET: 838-6915</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sametime: 
    wes.neal</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: 
    Teklu, Daniel [<A 
    href="mailto:daniel.teklu AT tfn DOT com">mailto:daniel.teklu AT tfn DOT 
com</A>] 
    </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:21 AM</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>To: 'Wes Neal'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
edu</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 
3.2</FONT> 
    </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=2>Check if the drive is down? I get that when my drive is 
    down. Check the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>status by</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2># ./tpconfig -l</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>if it is down, try to bring it up by</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2># ./vmoprcmd -up Drive_Index</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>Good Luck</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Daniel</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: 
Wes 
    Neal [<A href="mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT com">mailto:wes.neal AT mci DOT 
com</A>]</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:10 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>Subject: [Veritas-bu] Problem with Netbackup 3.2</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=2>Howdy people, hopefully someone can give me some insight on 
    this.&nbsp; I</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>have had this implementation of 
    Netbackup 3.2 running for about 3 hours</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>without a 
    hitch and suddenly about 4 weeks ago it quit working.&nbsp; I am</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>running Solaris 7.&nbsp; Basically whatever Netbackup 
tries 
    to do it gets an</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>error 219 or 213.&nbsp; Here is a 
    snippet from the bpsched log:</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>10:38:24 [1787] &lt;4&gt; bpsched: INITIATING...</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:24 [1787] &lt;2&gt; logparams: 
    /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/bpsched 10:38:24</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>[1787] 
    &lt;4&gt; bpsched_main: wait_on_que=0, timeout_in_que=36000,</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>reread_interval=30 0,queue_on_error=0, 
    bptm_query_timeout=480 10:38:24</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>[1787] &lt;4&gt; 
    db_ATTDEFS: Class_att_defs protocol 3.2 10:38:24 [1787] &lt;4&gt;</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>bpsched_main: VSMInit () failed: 2d</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:24 [1787] &lt;4&gt; ?:&nbsp;&nbsp; post process 
    images:&nbsp;&nbsp; yes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:24 [1787] &lt;4&gt; 
    ?:&nbsp;&nbsp; keep tir:&nbsp;&nbsp; yes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:25 
    [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 689</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:26 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to 
    backup on port 529</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:27 [1787] &lt;2&gt; 
    getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:28 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    783</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:29 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 593</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:30 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 1017</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:31 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    787</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:32 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 695</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:33 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 561</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:34 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    641</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:35 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 947</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:36 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 799</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:37 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    721</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:38 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 873</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:39 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 787</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:40 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    647</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:41 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 945</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:42 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 817</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:43 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    947</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:44 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 815</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:45 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 849</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:46 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    729</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:47 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 787</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:48 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 663</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:49 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    817</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:50 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 929</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:51 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 947</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:52 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    831</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:53 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 977</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:54 [1787] 
    &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on port 585</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:55 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: Connect to backup on 
port 
    787</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:56 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: 
    Connect to backup on port 871</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>10:38:56 [1787] 
    &lt;16&gt; getsockconnected: exceeded timeout of 30 seconds</FONT> 
<BR><FONT 
    size=2>10:38:56 [1787] &lt;2&gt; getsockconnected: sockfd:-1 timo:32 
    10:38:56 [1787]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&lt;16&gt; bpcr_connect: Can't 
    connect to client backup 10:38:56 [1787] &lt;16&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>start_bptm: connection refused by host backup 10:38:56 [1787] 
    &lt;16&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>get_stunits: get_num_avail_drives failed 
    with stat 204 10:38:56 [1787]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&lt;4&gt; 
get_db_info: 
    no available storage units 10:38:56 [1787] &lt;8&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
    size=2>bpsched_main: failed getting database information 10:38:56 [1787] 
    &lt;16&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>log_in_errorDB: scheduler exiting - no 
    storage units available for u se</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>(213) 10:38:56 
    [1787] &lt;16&gt; bpsched: scheduler exiting - no storage units</FONT> 
    <BR><FONT size=2>available for use (213</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>)</FONT> 
</P>
    <P><FONT size=2>I have not seen these before.&nbsp; Any help would be much 
    appreciated.</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=2>Thanks</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Wes</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=2>----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Wes Neal</FONT> </P>
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