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"You would need a Windows master to push client software to Windows 
machines, a regular Windoze machine won't do it"

That's not correct.  3.4 and earlier uses an Install Shield installation. 
3.4.1 and higher uses Windows Installer.  Both installations have a screen 
one or two "next's" into the installation where you choose local or 
remote.  You can choose remote and "push" the client out to anyone you 
want as long as you have local admin privs on the remote box.  You do not 
need to be on a master server.


- Scott





"Kennedy, Jeffrey" <jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com>
Sent by: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
01/24/2003 05:49 PM

 
        To:     "Deb" <deb AT tickleme.llnl DOT gov>
        cc:     <veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
        Subject:        RE: [Veritas-bu] Considering moving to NetBackup


> 
> > Well, until last week they did not support DAR.  This is an
indication
> > of their commitment to NDMP (or lack of) since every other major
backup
> > vendor had supported DAR over a year ago.  And dynamic drive sharing
for
> > NDMP?  Don't look for that for another year even though NetVault
from
> > Backbone had it a year ago as well.
> >
> > For some reason, Veritas sees themselves as a competitor of NetApp
even
> > though their NAS product is light years behind a filer.
> 
> Good info.  Thanks for sharing your viewpoint on this.  I'm sure it
will
> figure into how we manage the NDMP side of things.   From what I have
seen
> in
> the industry, there are no pretty NDMP solutions - and Legato has many
of
> its
> own problems in this area, although it's been released since some time
> last
> year (DAR and DDS).

There is one pretty NDMP solution from BakBone and another from
Workstation Solutions.  Both have had DDS and DAR for quite some time.
I know NetApp has tested BakBone in their lab and found it to be
everything it is advertised as.

> 
> > The scripting in NBU is pretty decent so you will win on that front.
> > The client push only works for the same platform as the master.  So
in a
> > mixed environment you will still visit the clients that are a
differing
> > platform than the master.
> 
> So, to clarify - you're saying that I cannot push out Windoze client
> updates
> from a Sun "master?"  What about using a Windoze machine (does it have
to
> be a
> master?) to update other Windoze boxes?
> 
> We do not want to support more than one kind of backup server, a
Windows
> box
> would not be a server in our environment.

That is correct.  You would need a Windows master to push client
software to Windows machines, a regular Windoze machine won't do it.

~JK

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<br><font size=2 face="Arial">&quot;</font><font size=2 face="Courier New">You 
would need a Windows master to push client software to Windows machines, a 
regular Windoze machine won't do it</font><font size=2 
face="Arial">&quot;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">That's not correct. &nbsp;3.4 and earlier uses an 
Install Shield installation. &nbsp;3.4.1 and higher uses Windows Installer. 
&nbsp;Both installations have a screen one or two &quot;next's&quot; into the 
installation where you choose local or remote. &nbsp;You can choose remote and 
&quot;push&quot; the client out to anyone you want as long as you have local 
admin privs on the remote box. &nbsp;You do not need to be on a master 
server.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">- Scott</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>&quot;Kennedy, Jeffrey&quot; &lt;jkennedy 
AT qualcomm DOT com&gt;</b></font>
<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Sent by: veritas-bu-admin AT 
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;Deb&quot; &lt;deb AT tickleme.llnl DOT gov&gt;</font>
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<br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subject: &nbsp; 
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;RE: [Veritas-bu] Considering moving to 
NetBackup</font></table>
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<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Courier New">&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Well, until last week they did not support DAR. &nbsp;This is an<br>
indication<br>
&gt; &gt; of their commitment to NDMP (or lack of) since every other major<br>
backup<br>
&gt; &gt; vendor had supported DAR over a year ago. &nbsp;And dynamic drive 
sharing<br>
for<br>
&gt; &gt; NDMP? &nbsp;Don't look for that for another year even though 
NetVault<br>
from<br>
&gt; &gt; Backbone had it a year ago as well.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; For some reason, Veritas sees themselves as a competitor of NetApp<br>
even<br>
&gt; &gt; though their NAS product is light years behind a filer.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Good info. &nbsp;Thanks for sharing your viewpoint on this. &nbsp;I'm sure 
it<br>
will<br>
&gt; figure into how we manage the NDMP side of things. &nbsp; From what I 
have<br>
seen<br>
&gt; in<br>
&gt; the industry, there are no pretty NDMP solutions - and Legato has many<br>
of<br>
&gt; its<br>
&gt; own problems in this area, although it's been released since some time<br>
&gt; last<br>
&gt; year (DAR and DDS).<br>
<br>
There is one pretty NDMP solution from BakBone and another from<br>
Workstation Solutions. &nbsp;Both have had DDS and DAR for quite some time.<br>
I know NetApp has tested BakBone in their lab and found it to be<br>
everything it is advertised as.<br>
<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; The scripting in NBU is pretty decent so you will win on that 
front.<br>
&gt; &gt; The client push only works for the same platform as the master. 
&nbsp;So<br>
in a<br>
&gt; &gt; mixed environment you will still visit the clients that are a<br>
differing<br>
&gt; &gt; platform than the master.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So, to clarify - you're saying that I cannot push out Windoze client<br>
&gt; updates<br>
&gt; from a Sun &quot;master?&quot; &nbsp;What about using a Windoze machine 
(does it have<br>
to<br>
&gt; be a<br>
&gt; master?) to update other Windoze boxes?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; We do not want to support more than one kind of backup server, a<br>
Windows<br>
&gt; box<br>
&gt; would not be a server in our environment.<br>
<br>
That is correct. &nbsp;You would need a Windows master to push client<br>
software to Windows machines, a regular Windoze machine won't do it.<br>
<br>
~JK<br>
<br>
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