Mike,
I agree with all these reasons as well. However, what TI
decided to do to fix this problem was to get rid of Veritas NBU
for Windows clients altogether. We evaluated Connected and bought,
which blows NBU Pro away for backing up every PC client. Take a
look at their features. http://www.connected.com
So, now we only use NBU to backup the NT Servers, Unix, and
our NAS storage. I know this is a kick in Veritas' face, but
lets face it. Veritas NBU Pro lacks seriously against Connected.
Veritas, get off your can and fix NBU Pro! You are loosing
market share every day to Connected.
Good Luck!
John
Quarantine wrote:
>
> I agree with Michael - don't. :-) There are a host of reasons why backing
> up every machine in a company is a bad idea. Of course, there's bound to be
> a place where it's appropriate...
>
> A few things to think about:
>
> 1. Roaming users (laptops) and users shutting off their systems when they
> go home at night.
>
> 2. Are you going to have to back up across the WAN? Unless you have fat
> pipes, you'll probably have to put media servers and tape equipment at your
> remote sites.
>
> 3. Think about the size of the hard drives that come on computers these
> days and the multitude of junk that people download/collect and keep on
> their local drives. You can start talking about a serious amount of data
> very quickly. Imagine a full backup of a couple of thousand computers, and
> your costs are way over what you would need to back up centralized storage.
>
> 4. How will this impact your LAN?
>
> 5. Is your NBU server environment beefy enough to handle all these clients?
> Can your master/media servers push the tapes to their limits? Are your tape
> drives fast enough? Can you back up everybody (even if you split them up)
> in a realistic backup window?
>
> 6. I agree that offloading admin to the users is a good idea as far as your
> workload is concerned, but do you really trust your users to be responsible
> for backing up their data? If data is lost and a user is responsible for
> backups, you're probably still going to get blamed. If you go that route,
> you're going to have to push for a policy that makes the user responsible.
> Even if you overcome that hurdle, if data is lost and not backed up, the
> data is gone. Even if you don't get blamed, you've still lost something
> that could be very important to your business.
>
> It's almost always cheaper and easier to buy a file server (or more than
> one), load it up with lots of storage or hook it to your SAN, and force
> users to use that. Something along the line of home directories in NT works
> well with this. I guess there are some instances where this might not work,
> but it should work most of the time.
>
> Good luck,
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Breshears [mailto:MBreshears AT trammellcrow DOT com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:22 AM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] (no subject)
>
> What a can of worms :-) You should get some interesting responses from this
> question. Here is my 2 cents:
>
> DON'T (just kidding)
>
> The 2 issues that immediately jump out at me are duplicate data and
> administration. I do not know the size of the company that we are talking
> about so it is all relative. If this is something your company has already
> decided to do, I would suggest looking at NetBackup Professional and letting
> the users take some of the administrative load off your shoulders.
>
> If they are allowed to save to their local drive, you will have multiple
> copies of every document that they are working on, so cost of storage space
> will be a major factor.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Michael
> mbreshears AT trammellcrow DOT com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Turner [mailto:Dturner AT manh DOT com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:38 AM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] (no subject)
>
> I have a general question. How many people have to backup everyone's machine
> in the entire company Servers, laptops, and Desktops. Can you tell what to
> watch out for or why this is not a good idea.
>
> Thx
>
> David
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