On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 09:17:57PM -0700, Pat Whelan wrote:

        Before I'd had this problem I thought the same. 
It's just in theory. In practice:

Tape number 000005 contains following backup images,
I read it directly from the tape usign Reports -> Images on media

honey-backup.pprd.abbott.com_0929785180
jif-backup.pprd.abbott.com_0929753600
kerouac.pprd.abbott.com_0929769126
olympia.pprd.abbott.com_0929760151
plato.pprd.abbott.com_0929750678
ugene.pprd.abbott.com_0929780072
vegemite-backup.pprd.abbott.com_0929785182
xtal.pprd.abbott.com_0929785179
Noone of them exists in image database:

# bpimagelist -backupid honey-backup.pprd.abbott.com_0929785180
no entity was found
# bpimagelist -backupid jif-backup.pprd.abbott.com_0929753600
no entity was found
.....
# bpimagelist -backupid xtal.pprd.abbott.com_0929785179
no entity was found

But:
# /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd/bpmedialist -mlist -l | fgrep 000005
000005 *NULL* 1 13 929750678 929753600 2147483647 954959571 29612303 6 6 6 1 0 
552 1024 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

or usign /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/goodies/available_media 
000005  DLT      TLD      2       10     -       -       6     29612303 FULL/MPX

We dont' want to duplicate tapes, it's question of 600 DLT tapes.

> Tapes will not become empty until ALL images on them have expired. My guess
> is that most of the tapes still have at least one image that has not
> expired. You might want to use duplication to copy active images to one or
> more tapes, then expire the old tapes.
> 
> Patrick Whelan 
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> 
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From:   Andrey Shinkarev
> [mailto:shinkara AT spartan.pprd.abbott DOT com]
>               Sent:   Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:15 PM
>               To:     veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>               Subject:        [Veritas-bu] old tapes are not expired.
> 
>               Hello,
> 
>               Some time ago we had to switch expiration time on most of 
>               our backups to infinity
>               To do that we used:
>               # bpexpdate -recalculate 
>               command. Now we have some of our backups expired
>               We did it using:
>               # bpexpdate -backupid .. -d 0
>               command. We expired up 60 % of all old backups
>               which we switched to infinity expiration and we've got 
>               no tapes expired. All of then are still full.
>               We are expecting 100-200 expired tapes.
>               Last time we had this situation Veritas suggested us
>               to use
>               # vmquery -deassignbyid 
>               command. We can't use it now becouse we still
>               have to keep some backups and can't deassign 
>               tapes based on time when they were written. 
>               What can we do to make NetBackup check
>               expired tapes? 
> 
>               - The latest patch was applied. 
>               - bptm -delete_expired doesn't help.
> 
>               Thanks,
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>               Andrew Shinkarev
>               Abbott Labs
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>               shinkara AT pprd.abbott DOT com
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