EMC NetWorker discussion <NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU> wrote on
01/30/2009 10:11:10 AM:
> Why would you have a big cluster not serving many VM's? In my
> environment we have several 3 way ESX clusters hosting hundreds of
> VM's running, Oracle, SQL, Linux, etc. That said you DON'T have to
> use Virtual licensing, you can still use regular CAL's. The way it
> works is Networker will look for a Virtual CAL if you have
> configured the client as being Virtual. If there isn't a Virtual CAL
> registered it will use a standard CAL. I don't have the Virtual CAL
> licensed but I am using VCB and Networker just uses a standard CAL.
>
> EMC is improving licensing over the way it used to be with Legato.
>
> Change even when it's for good does not come without some pain.
Pardon me for intruding, but I am going to be in somewhat the same
situation. Currently running NW 7.4.2 on Windows; still a bit leery about
upgrading to 7.5, due to some of the problem emails.
Currently: I have 86 CALs, another 20 SQL CALs, in my current (physical)
environment. I am coming up on license renewal in a couple months. We are
planning on virtualing to 10 ESX servers, in a ESX cluster. Going to leave
all the SQL servers as is (i.e., physical). No more than 10 VMs per ESX
host; more likely, only 4 - 5 VMs per ESX host.
I thought about getting 10 Virtual ESX Licenses, but since I'll only have
about 50 or so VMs total, I don't think it's cost effective for me; I
think it's cheaper just to continue to use the regular CALs for those VMs.
If I had 100 VMs, it might be a different story.
I will be contacting EMC shortly, but it helps to have some clue before
calling.
Am I misunderstanding?
Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jóhannes Karl Karlsson [mailto:johannes.karlsson AT skyrr DOT is]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: EMC NetWorker discussion; Greggs, Dana
> Subject: RE: [Networker] VMWare consolidated backup client licensing
>
> This is just what I was realizing.
>
> I understand that you then need one virtual client connection per
> ESX server. So for a big ESX cluster with many ESX hosts in a
> cluster, and each is not serving many vm's guests, than this can be
> quite expensive since on virtual client connection costs as much as
> 8x SQL module licenses.
>
> I was hoping that the virtual client connection license was bound to
> a Virtual center instead of ESX hosts.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:[email protected].
> EDU] On Behalf Of Greggs, Dana
> Sent: 30. janúar 2009 13:35
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: [Networker] VMWare consolidated backup client licensing
>
> 7.5 is a major improvement over all previous releases from 7.3.
> We've been using Networker since 6.x. EMC has worked with each
> Networker release to simplify licensing. They have gradually done
> away with client pack licenses, cluster licenses, VSS licenses and
> now they have changed the way CALS are allocated in Virtual
> environments. Just as all licenses are based on your Networker
> Server, licenses in Virtual environments are now tied to the VM's
> ESX Host. There is a new Virtual Cal that is tied to an ESX host so
> that with this license plus at least one CAL per client type (MSSQL,
> Oracle as opposed to regular Win/Linux CALS) you can backup
> unlimited VM's with 1 license.
>
> Example:
>
> If I have 1 Virtual Cal, 1 MSSQL Cal and 1 Oracle Cal I can backup
> 10 VM's running Windows, another 10 VM's running SQL and another 10
> VM's running Oracle if they are all on the same ESX Host. (However
> many VM's you run on the ESX Host is determined by the Hardware
> resources at your disposal). The virtual license is tied to the ESX
Server.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:[email protected].
> EDU] On Behalf Of Alex Alexiou
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:33 PM
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: VMWare consolidated backup client licensing
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> We're planning to install a VMWare Infrastructure environment soon, and
> there has been some interest in using VMWare consolidated backups. I've
> been looking at the license requirements for Networker, both on
> powerlink and this list, and frankly it's about as clear as raw sewage.
> We're running Networker 7.3.3, and it appears the licensing differs
> whether you're running 7.3.3, 7.4, or 7.5.
>
>
>
> Can anyone who's used consolidated backups give me an idea of how many
> licenses, and what kind, I would need to buy for a proxy server and the
> VM's if we go with consolidated backups? Any differences you can
> highlight between the different networker versions would also be much
> appreciated. I realize we'll probably have to upgrade, but I don't want
> to jump all the way to 7.5 unless there's a compelling reason to do so.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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