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Re: [Networker] read open error: No error

2006-06-22 19:08:28
Subject: Re: [Networker] read open error: No error
From: "Werth, Dave" <dave.werth AT GARMIN DOT COM>
To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:11:15 -0500
Gary,

According to the Spectralogic web site the 2K will support any generation of
AIT tapes and they added AIT-2 support at firmware level 1004.00, AIT-3
support at T1016.00, and AIT-4 support at T2201.00.

We have the Advanced Replacement support option (if there's a problem that
causes a major failure they send us a replacement 10K then we send the old
one back).  So when we upgraded they sent us a 10K with AIT-4 and we sent
the old one back.  The new library had both upgraded firmware and an
upgraded interface (from Fast Wide SCSI to Ultra2 Wide SCSI (LVD)).  The
interface upgrade was necessary to get enough throughput for the AIT-4
drives.  Our cost for the upgrade was around 11K but when we first started
exploring it around 16 months ago it was more like 16K.

I imagine for you to upgrade from AIT-1 to AIT-2 wouldn't require anything
more than a firmware upgrade but to go beyond that you'd need the interface
upgrade as well but check with Spectralogic to be sure.

Hope this helps.

Dave

David Werth
Garmin AT, Inc
Salem, Oregon
dave.werth AT garmin DOT com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Goldberg [mailto:og AT digimark DOT net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Werth, Dave
Cc: 'Legato NetWorker discussion'
Subject: RE: [Networker] read open error: No error

Thanks Dave, for the reply. I've only run the tape cleaner through once
each time, and it's worth trying again before I assume hardware problems.

Can a Spectralogic 2000 jukebox be upgraded from AIT-1 to AIT anything else
without requiring new firmware or other changes besides the drives? (No
need to reply if you don't know, I'm adding this in case someone sees it
and knows...) -Gary

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2006, Werth, Dave wrote:

> Gary,
>
> I've occasionally seen this error but it's always cleared up by retrying
the
> operation.  Rarely it has taken more than one retry.  When that happened I
> ran the cleaning tape through twice in a row and that seemed to clear it
up.
>
>
> For me it has always happened when I was manually mounting a tape in the
> drive, not during normal backup operations (not even when the backup
> automatically mounted a new tape to continue a backup).  I always figured
it
> was a timing issue where Networker timed out the operation before the
drive
> was ready but when it checked the drive for an error it got 'No Error'.
> Since it isn't a big problem (it's been 6 months since the last time) I
> haven't done anything about it.
>
> We have Networker 7.2.1.Build.311 on W2K with a Spectralogic 10K jukebox
and
> 2 AIT-4 drives.  We upgraded from AIT-2 about 9 months ago and the problem
> was more common on the AIT-2 drives.
>
> About 6 months ago I started running the cleaning tapes through both of
our
> AIT-4 drives twice in a row once a week and I haven't seen the problem
> since.  That of course might be a coincidence.
>
> If cleaning doesn't help then I guess I'd be looking at the drives or the
> tapes you are using.
>
> This message probably wasn't all that helpful but no one else appears to
be
> answering I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
>
> David Werth
> Garmin AT, Inc
> Salem, Oregon
> dave.werth AT garmin DOT com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Goldberg [mailto:og AT DIGIMARK DOT NET]
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:19 AM
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: [Networker] read open error: No error
>
> Hello. I am having this problem with my backup system and was hoping
anyone
> would have some information or advice about it.
>
> One of the two drives in my tape jukebox gets this error:
>
>     save read error: No error
>
> and all I can do is eject the tape. I also get a bad block error in the NT
> system log. I assumed that the drive needed cleaning, so I disabled it
> temporarily and used the other drive. (The jukebox and both drives have
> been recently serviced and were verified working good.)
>
> I just cleaned the drives with a Sony AIT head cleaner, and re-enabled it.
> Same error. Then the first drive started getting the error, although not
> consistantly.
>
> I deleted the jukebox instance from Networker and re-created it in case
the
> SCSI assignments were messed up. No change.
>
> The system is running now on the first drive, but I'd like to be proactive
> (within a non-existant budget 8-( ) and know what to do if it comes back.
> I'd
> also like to use the second drive again.
>
> Suggestions? Is it likely a drive going bad? (But both at nearly the same
> time?) SCSI cable? (I swapped the cables with another similar, but one
> drive tape jukebox but the error didn't transfer.) Or something else?
>
> Thanks in advance. -Gary
>
> The system:
>
>     Intel dual P3 450Mhz, 1GB RAM, 4 x 18GB RAID-5 disk array, Adaptec
> 2940U2,
>       Cybernetics (Spectralogic 30-slot AIT-1 jukebox (2 drives, bar code
>       reader. firmware recently flashed to the latest available version by
>       Cybernetics as part of their refurbishment.)
>     WinNT 4 w/ all patches  (Yes, I know I should upgrade but everything
is
>       turned off in it and its behind a firewall...)
>     Networker 6.2 build 109, 20 extra client license (total 30), Linux
> pack,
>       autoloader up to 30 license, MSSQL and storage node add-ons.
>     (6) RH9, CentOS3 & CentOS 4 web servers and (1) Win2K server as
> clients,
>       plus the nsrserver host.
>
>

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