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Re: [Networker] Trouble with recovering

2003-04-25 05:19:39
Subject: Re: [Networker] Trouble with recovering
From: "Wood, R A (Bob)" <WoodR AT CHEVRONTEXACO DOT COM>
To: NETWORKER AT LISTMAIL.TEMPLE DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:19:31 +0100
Maybe I can explain it a bit better.

Say you have a client with the following files on day 1
File a
File b
File c
File d
Then a full backup runs at the end of day 1, Legato will have the following 
files in the index
File a
File b
File c
File d

During day 2 a new file is added (file e) and a file is deleted (file b). An 
incremental backup runs at the end of day 2. Legato now has the following index

Day 1
File a
File b
File c
File d

Day 2
File a
File c
File d
File e

Now, on day 3 two files are deleted (file a and file e) but no backup is run, 
Legato will have the following index

Day 1
File a
File b
File c
File d

Day 2
File a
File c
File d
File e

A full backup is run at the end of day 3 and the Legato has the following index

Day 1
File a
File b
File c
File d

Day 2
File a
File c
File d
File e

Day 3
File c
File d

Do you see what's happening? Even though we do fulls and incrementals, the 
index is updated in such a way that it reflects the state of the client at the 
time of the backup (whether the file was backed up on the last full or the 
latest incremental, if it was on the client when the backup ran, it will be in 
the index).

All you have to do when restoring is select the browse time.

Does that answer your question? 
I don't think it's a problem but, if you think it is, can you explain how it is 
a problem so that I can see what your concerns are.

Regards
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Yura Pismerov [mailto:ypismerov AT tucows DOT com] 
Sent: 24 April 2003 17:31
To: Legato NetWorker discussion; Wood, R A (Bob)
Subject: Re: [Networker] Trouble with recovering


"Wood, R A (Bob)" wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>         That is Networker 'working as designed' - you can't see the 
> files because they weren't there when the backup was run. Even though 
> you backed up an incremental, the index for that time shows all files 
> that existed on the server AT THE TIME OF THE BACKUP, the list will 
> include files that were backed up on the full backup that were not 
> deleted or changed (so not backed up on the incremental backup) as 
> well as the changed files backed up with the incremental backup.


        I have a question. If I used a full backups all the time on that area, 
would it show me the files that were deleted in between the full backup runs ? 
Or it would show me only the last full backup content ? If it indeed does what 
you say, it sounds like a disaster to me (unless it behaves differently in case 
of having several periodical full backups). What is the point of having long 
browse/retention policy if I am not able to extract a file that was deleted at 
some point ?



> 
>         Trust me, Networker is a lot easier to get on with if you 
> don't try to make it do things it is not designed to. Have a think 
> about it, do you really want to see all files that have existed since 
> the last backup? What about a restore, you restore a folder from a 
> certain date and a user complains that you've restored a file that was 
> deleted several days before that date. It's a minefield you're 
> straying into. Beware....
> 
> Bob.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yener KiliГ [mailto:yenki AT KOCBANK.COM DOT TR]
> Sent: 24 April 2003 16:04
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTMAIL.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: [Networker] Trouble with recovering
> Importance: High
> 
> Hi,
> We have a restoring situation here.
> 
> We backed up large amounts of files in a directory (20 years browse 
> and retension time). Then we delete those files. Afterwards, we added 
> new files ( completely different files) to the same directory and done 
> an we then done an incremental backup. This incremental backup spread 
> a new a volume. Somehow ( we did some operations, cloning and removing 
> clonned volume.) above (full and one inremental) two save sets became 
> revorable. We then remove and scan those volumes by using scanner 
> command.
> 
> When we try to restore files in full backup, we cannot restore them ( 
> recover command cannot find files in index db). It only gives us file 
> in incremental backup. We need to change browse time to get files in 
> full backup. However we don't want to behave like that. Recover 
> command be able to restore all files without changing browse time. How 
> can we do that?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Yener KILIг
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