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Re: [ADSM-L] TSM AC and OC and 7.1.1 Was: RE: [ADSM-L] TSM rant

2015-02-10 16:23:52
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM AC and OC and 7.1.1 Was: RE: [ADSM-L] TSM rant
From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bullhcr AT GMAIL DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:21:45 +0100
Hi Robert, thanks for the followup.

This was reported by IBM as a known issue with 6.4. OC

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21640656#OC_641_known_issues__DISK_critical

Regards,

Hans Chr.



On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Robert Jose <rjose AT us.ibm DOT com> wrote:

> Hi Hans Chr.
> Thanks for the feedback on your experience with Operations Center. I
> understand your frustration and would be frustrated in your shoes also. I
> also wanted to explain why we decided to couple TSM Server with Operations
> Center and why we think in the long run it is the correct choice. The main
> reason is performance. While you are correct that having a defect that
> resides on the TSM Server side will take time to fix, once it is defect
> free, the performance will be much greater than any other 3rd party
> application.  There are a lot of instances where selecting on a wrong
> column can be fixed in the Operations Center. In these cases, we can get a
> fix out very quickly (especially if you are willing to help us test it
> also :) ).
>
> Was an APAR created for this issue? I would love to see the issue.
>
> Thanks again and I do hope you will provide more feedback in the future.
>
>
> Rob Jose
> TSM OC UI Developer / L3 Support
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 01/31/2015
> 07:30:16 AM:
>
> > From: Hans Christian Riksheim <bullhcr AT GMAIL DOT COM>
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Date: 01/31/2015 07:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM AC and OC and 7.1.1 Was: RE: [ADSM-L] TSM rant
> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> >
> > We have tried OC twice and are not happy and that is due to its design.
> >
> > Other 3d party monitoring/administration tools we use are completely
> > separate from the TSM server environment and only talks to TSM through an
> > API(dsmcad/SQL). This means that any bug fix or feature enhancement in
> the
> > administration tools can be deployed without touching the TSM
> environment.
> > When we have reported bugs in the tools we have obtained fixes quickly,
> one
> > time a patch was ready the day after we reported the bug.
> >
> > OC on the other hand is tightly integrated with the TSM server code
> itself.
> > That means two things. First we have to take down and upgrade our TSM
> > servers to the bleeding edge only to fix things with OC. That is an
> > administrative burden and also a huge risk. Second problem is the time
> from
> > a bug is detected to a patch is available. The bug with caching diskpool
> > was discovered in 6.4.1 but a fix wasn't ready before the 6.3.5 server
> > code. That is one year for something which should take a developer 5
> > minutes to fix(select on wrong column).
> >
> > With 10 years of ISC/Admin Center and now OC we will not waste any more
> > time on IBMs administrative tools. And with the recent progress of TSM
> > itself we have to think long and hard on what to do before our current
> > license period is up.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Hans Chr.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Prather, Wanda <Wanda.Prather AT icfi DOT 
> > com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jeanne,
> > >
> > > We are in a transition as the OC is getting more function with each
> > > release, but doesn't yet have everything the AC had.
> > >
> > > The OC is the new/current admin GUI.  The 7.1.1 version has client
> > > scheduling in it now, so it can do more of the admin tasks you need.
> > > In the 7.1.1 version you can view management classes and maintenance
> plan,
> > > but still can't change them.  That will come in a later release of the
> OC.
> > >
> > > The old AC has been "stabilized" at 6.3 and will not be developed
> further,
> > > but can still be used.
> > > If you put on the latest AC patch level from the FTP site (6.3.5), you
> can
> > > talk to your 7.1 server with it (minus any new function since 6.3, of
> > > course).
> > >
> > >
> > > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tivoli-storage-management/
> > maintenance/admincenter/v6r3/6.3.5.000/
> > >
> > > So you probably want to put the patch on your AC so you can keep using
> it
> > > for mgmt. classes and basic functions with your 7.1.1 server, while you
> > > also install the 7.1.1 OC and start getting used to it for basic
> > > administration, and taking advantage of the new visualization and
> > > monitoring it provides that the AC never did.
> > >
> > > Wanda Prather
> > > TSM Consultant
> > > ICF International Enterprise and Cybersecurity Systems Division
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On 
> > > Behalf
> Of
> > > Jeanne Bruno
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:31 PM
> > > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM rant
> > >
> > > For Windows version 7.1.1.00 is it now called TSM "Operations Center"??
> > > 7.1.1.000-TIV-TSMOC-Windows.exe
> > >
> > > I want to upgrade from v 6.3.3 to v7.1 for Admin Server and the OC was
> all
> > > I found.......is this what you've found also??
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On 
> > > Behalf
> Of
> > > Stef Coene
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:24 PM
> > > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM rant
> > >
> > > On Thursday 29 January 2015 21:14:08 you wrote:
> > > > FWIW,
> > > > I've also been through a lot of problems with dedup, it has been
> > > > disappointing. On TSM servers not using dedup I haven't seen many
> > > > problems at the latest levels.
> > > >
> > > > Curious to know what you just installed?
> > > > On 7.1.1 on Windows, select * from processes works just fine...
> > > Fresh install:
> > > Server Version 7, Release 1, Level 1.100 Red Hat Enterprise Linux
> Server
> > > release 6.6 (Santiago)
> > >
> > >
> > > Stef
> > >
> >
>

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