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[ADSM-L] Ang: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool

2011-09-27 02:01:59
Subject: [ADSM-L] Ang: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool
From: Daniel Sparrman <daniel.sparrman AT EXIST DOT SE>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:59:28 +0200
I'm trying to figure out your question here:
 
Are you comparing a primary sequential pool located on a VTL, compared to a 
primary disk pool? In that case, it's like comparing an apple to a pear. Using 
diskpools for long-time storage is not something I'd suggest since your 
diskpools will get fragemented. Also, sequential write speed is usually faster 
on a sequential pool than a random disk pool.
 
If you're comparing a sequential pool located on a VTL, compared to a FILE 
device sequential pool? In that case, you will have reclamation on both pools. 
The difference however (and I can only speak for our SEPATON VTL), in case of 
the SEPATON, there is never any datamovement during reclaim since it's 
application aware. In case of the FILE device pool, you will have reclamation, 
and you will have unnecessary data movement across the same disks when doing 
reclamation.
 
As for performance, our 2 port SEPATON VTL easily hits 700-800MB/s with 2x4GB 
ports, and it's a small one. It's upgradable to a total speed of 43.2TB/hour 
(however, you will need a server, network and SAN HBA's that can actually 
achieve that amount of throughput).
 
As for deduplication, no, a VTL cant do client-side deduplication. However, the 
achieved de-dup ratio is alot higher than you will see on a TSM-based client- 
or server-based dedup. And unless your network is congested, there is really no 
point in doing client-side dedup, since the dedup load isnt placed on the TSM 
server, but on the VTL hardware (which is one of the reasons except for a 
congested network where you'd want to use client-side de-dup). I've seen other 
VTL's where you need a separate VTL todo dedup. That isnt the case with our VTL 
though, it's all done within the same box.
 
On a 2nd note, when using a FILE device pool or a diskpool, you're also missing 
out on the hardware compression offered by a standard tape library or VTL. You 
can probably use client-side compression, but from experience, it's never as 
good as hardware compression, and puts an unnecessary load on your 
backupclients (which wasnt a problem 10 years ago when working hours was during 
days, today however, alot of systems are online serving customers all around 
the clock).
 
My 5 cents worth.
 
Best Regards
 
Daniel Sparrman



Daniel Sparrman
Exist i Stockholm AB
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Fax: 08-754 97 30
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Ärende: [ADSM-L] vtl versus file systems for pirmary pool

What advantage does VTL emulation on a disk primary storage pool have

as compared to disk storage pool that is non vtl ?



It appears to me that a non vtl system would not require the daily reclamation 
process

and also allow for more client backups to occur simultaneously.



Thanks,



Tim Brown
Systems Specialist - Project Leader
Central Hudson Gas & Electric
284 South Ave
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
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Phone: 845-486-5643
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