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Re: [ADSM-L] Change rate performance question

2010-10-27 09:12:40
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Change rate performance question
From: "heikel, cory" <cheikel AT HMC.PSU DOT EDU>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:10:44 +0000
Everyone,

Thanks for the ideas. I have considered the incrbydate and was concerned with 
the problem that Grigori mentions below. I have tried to sell management on 
Fastback as well, but cannot get them to cough up the money for it. 

As an update...

Doing some further investigation I have found that we are completely saturating 
the network for about 4 hours every night. So we are looking at some networking 
solutions.

Also, from reading some posts about systemstate in windows 2008, we excluded 
the systemstate from backup last night on 2 of our problem servers and the 
backup time reduced from about 7 hours to 13 minutes.

Again, thanks for your responses and ideas.

cory

Cory L Heikel
Tivoli Systems Administrator
Penn State Hershey Medical Center
(717)531-7972
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT vm.marist DOT edu] On Behalf Of 
Grigori Solonovitch
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:05 AM
To: ADSM-L AT vm.marist DOT edu
Subject: Re: Change rate performance question

But keep in mind http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg1IC50766.
Incrbydate is not reliable enough. You can easily loose files, if server is 
active during -incrbydate.

Grigori G. Solonovitch

Senior Technical Architect

Information Technology  Ahli United Bank Kuwait http://www.ahliunited.com.kw

Phone: (+965) 2231-2274  Mobile: (+965) 99798073  E-Mail: Grigori.Solonovitch 
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of 
Roger Deschner
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:55 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Change rate performance question

We have one machine with a very high change rate like this. We are successfully 
using -incrbydate on weekdays, and a regular incremental every weekend to catch 
up - exactly as suggested in the TSM manuals.
It's made a big difference.

Roger Deschner      University of Illinois at Chicago     rogerd AT uic DOT edu
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Xav Paice wrote:

>----- "cory heikel" <cheikel AT HMC.PSU DOT EDU> wrote:
>
>> I have many clients with an average daily change rate of over 50%.
>> Most of these clients take several hours to back up and show a high 
>> percentage of wait time in the summary table. My question is this:
>> Would it make sense for these clients to be backed up full each day 
>> instead of incremental?
>>
>
>Without more detail, I'd suggest trying an online image backup of some 
>selected clients and see what difference it makes.  You might find, however, 
>that there are pros and cons for image vs incremental - in terms of storage 
>used, performance of other operations during backup, and ability to restore 
>individual files.
>
>You could also consider using -incrbydate - just so long as you regularly do a 
>'normal' incremental since -incrbydate misses deleted files and isn't the most 
>secure option.
>
>Where is the delay though - have you looked at the instrumentation to 
>determine if it really is filesystem scanning that is the slow bit?
>

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