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Re: [ADSM-L] [adsm] Re: Does TSM Have a way to Automatically Determine How many CPU'S aka processors a server has

2010-04-27 10:07:11
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] [adsm] Re: Does TSM Have a way to Automatically Determine How many CPU'S aka processors a server has
From: Lloyd Dieter <ldieter AT ROCHESTER.RR DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:06:11 -0400
Amen!

This licensing is KILLING us!


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:19:33 +1200
Steven Harris <steve AT STEVENHARRIS DOT INFO> wrote:

> Thanks for that John
>
> Take a look at the latest PVU table.
> http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/pvu_licensing_for_customers.html
>
> For P7 and Nehalem EX processors the CPU and Core count is not enough,
> it also depends on how many CPUs the box is *capable* of.
>
> I dunno what the IBM guys were smoking when they thought this up, but
> its going to be very difficult to calculate manually in any reliable
> fashion.  Think also that an 8x4 Nehalem server will use 3840 PVUs.  We
> figure that TDP for MSSQL on such a box will cost more than the MSSQL
> licences even with heavy discounts.
>
> All but my largest customers are deserting TSM as fast as they can,
> mostly to Commvault, simply because of the cost of the product, and the
> perceived cost when we make the  licences purchased accord with reality.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> Steven Harris
> TSM Admin
> Paraparaumu, New Zealand
>
> John D. Schneider wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >      I led our team doing a TSM audit on a 2000 server environment about
> > a year ago.  The biggest headache I have ever had.  There are so many
> > exceptions for each different kind of servers.  VMware servers,
> > standalone Windows, NAS, Clusters, AIX Lpars in a sub-processor lpar.
> > It took a couple months, and we still probably had some mistakes in it,
> > but we got REALLY close.
> >      We just recently installed IBM License Metric Tool.  The early
> > versions were really bad, but the version we recently installed (7.5, I
> > think) seems to work correctly.  It even seems to count correctly the
> > AIX sub-processor Lpars, which we thought would confuse it. Deploying it
> > in a large environment will be a project, but it comes with a
> > self-extracting installer that won't be too tough, once we script it.
> > The only problem is that you have to set up a config file that defines
> > where your ILMT server is, and then you have to push that out to each
> > server before you run the installer on each host to install it.
> >      In the future we will make it part of our standard build, which
> > will make it more seamless.
> >      But I believe that, once we get it deployed, it will really be less
> > work than any other method of counting licenses would be.
> >
> >      The other choice would be a capacity-based license.  I understand
> > IBM is starting to make these available.  The hitch is that each license
> > is individually negotiated with IBM, and you have to count your licenses
> > with PVUs first to establish a "baseline" for calculating what a "fair"
> > capacity-based license would be.  This sounds like to me like everybody
> > will end up paying a different price for TSM, depending on their mix of
> > TSM clients when they establish their "baseline", and what kind of
> > negotiators they are.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > John D. Schneider
> > The Computer Coaching Community, LLC
> > Office: (314) 635-5424 / Toll Free: (866) 796-9226
> > Cell: (314) 750-8721
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Does TSM Have a way to Automatically Determine
> > How many CPU'S aka processors a server has
> > From: Robert Clark <robert.clark7 AT USBANK DOT COM>
> > Date: Mon, April 26, 2010 4:04 pm
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> >
> >  Funny phrase that, "shear amout of work". Unintentional pun? As in
> > fleecing sheep?
> >
> > [RC]
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > David Longo <David.Longo AT HEALTH-FIRST DOT ORG>
> > To:
> > ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Date:
> > 04/23/2010 11:25 AM
> > Subject:
> > Re: [ADSM-L] Does TSM Have a way to Automatically Determine How many
> > CPU'S
> > aka processors a server has
> > Sent by:
> > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> >
> >
> >
> > I bet a lot of people get extra counts for reasons you mentioned
> >  and related ones.
> >
> > David Longo
> >
> >
> >>>> Rick Adamson <RickAdamson AT WINN-DIXIE DOT COM> 4/23/2010 2:08 PM >>>
> >>>>
> > We just recently went through an IBM audit and were tasked with
> > collecting this information on several hundred machines, some local and
> > some remote. When I told my management that TSM does not collect this
> > info he got our IBM rep on the phone for confirmation. I spent a
> > considerable amount of time trying to find a way to get a near accurate
> > count without having to worry about hyperthreading fudging my numbers.
> > Intel makes, or made, a small utility call cpucount that does the job.
> > With very little scripting it can gather the numbers. I just created a
> > for loop that referenced a text file with the node names and ported it
> > out to a cvs file.
> >
> > David if you can't find it let me know and I will see if I still have a
> > copy.
> >
> > I STRONGLY suggest that anyone about to attempt this read the IBM
> > license terms regarding PVU's.
> >
> > IBM has no compassion regarding the shear amount of work the it requires
> > and they send third party auditors out to your site that only have the
> > slightest clue what they are doing. In many situations they tried to
> > double count our MS clusters (once for the physical nodes, and again for
> > the virtual instance names. I explained it to them and when we got their
> > analysis report...you guessed it, there it was. I should have known when
> > they had that deer-in-the-headlights look on their face.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > ~Rick
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > Richard Rhodes
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:49 PM
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Does TSM Have a way to Automatically Determine How
> > many CPU'S aka processors a server has
> >
> > We made it throught the ILMT install, but are not in production yet with
> > it.
> >
> > The actual install wasn't that difficult, but the instructions leave
> > much
> > to be desired - a lot of words with little info.
> >
> > For example, it installs DB2 for it's db. Ok . . . I assume it has
> > some
> > built in backup system. Then I read a little comment that for backups
> > refer to the DB2 documentation, and a link to the DB2 infocenter. We're
> > an
> > Oracle shop . . .no one here knows DB2. No help, no cheat sheet, no
> > built
> > in backup scripts - just go read the db2 manuals! One of my tasks now
> > is
> > to become a DB2 dba . . . what fun! (probably a good thing for our
> > eventual migration to TSM v6)
> >
> > Another example . . .it's reporting the wrong units for a certain AIX
> > model. You show the support guy the actual web page where the units for
> > the server are listed, but you get nowhere.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Lindsay Morris
> >  <lindsay@TSMWORKS
> >  .COM>
> > To
> >  Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> >  Dist Stor
> > cc
> >  Manager"
> >  <[email protected]
> > Subject
> >  .EDU> Re: Does TSM Have a way to
> >  Automatically Determine How many
> >  CPU'S aka processors a server has
> >  04/23/2010 11:41
> >  AM
> >
> >
> >  Please respond to
> >  "ADSM: Dist Stor
> >  Manager"
> >  <[email protected]
> >  .EDU>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There's ITLM, IBM Tivoli License Manager.
> > It's kind of bear to install, I hear.
> > (Has anybody done it?)
> >
> > But nobody else has a fully automated solution AFAIK.
> >
> > Contact me off-line and I can give you some other options.
> > --------------------
> > Lindsay Morris
> > CEO, TSMworks
> > Tel. 1-859-539-9900
> > lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:30 AM, David W Daniels/AC/VCU
> > <dwdaniel AT vcu DOT edu>wrote:
> >
> >
> >> All, Does anyone know if TSM has the capability to count and report
> >>
> > how
> >
> >> many CPU'S aka processor(s) a server has? I'm asking because it SLA
> >>
> > time
> >
> >> and this is some of the information we would like and hopefully charge
> >> user departments for in regard to TSM support.
> >>
> >> Also if there's is another way to get this information automatically
> >> please share....
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