Re: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem

That's Brilliant!!!

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Leandro Mazur <leandromazur AT gmail DOT 
com>wrote:

> In here, we use something like this:
>
> Exclude *
> Exclude *:\...\*
> Include C:\test\...\*
> Exclude.dir C:\[a-s]*
> Exclude.dir C:\[u-z]*
>
> Tha way, we exclude from processing the other unwanted directories of the
> drive C:
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, lindsay morris <lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
> >wrote:
>
> > Wanda your two cents is worth at least a dime!
> >
> > I never knew you could use a MINUS sign in the DOMAIN statement to
> > EXCLUDE a drive/filespace.
> > Perfect, easy solution for all those "bad=practice" customers who've
> > done this!
> > I hope they lurk here, read this and make the change.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > ------
> > Mr. Lindsay Morris
> > Principal
> > www.tsmworks.com
> > 919-403-8260
> > lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2009, at Jul 24, 8:34 AM, Wanda Prather wrote:
> >
> >  Here's adding my 2c to the confusion:
> >>
> >> I agree with Lindsay;  setting
> >> DOMAIN D:
> >> is dangerous, because that way all you get is D:, and if someone
> >> adds an E:
> >> drive later, it will be skipped.
> >>
> >> So I recommend using Bill's notation:
> >>
> >> Domain ALL-LOCAL   -C:
> >> or
> >> Domain ALL-LOCAL
> >> Domain -C:
> >>
> >> Domain statements are additive; so if you specify all-local  minus
> >> C:, if
> >> someone adds an E: drive later it will be correctly picked up.
> >>
> >> However, the original poster wanted to back up a subdirectory on C:
> >> If you exclude C: with a Domain statement, or with exclude.dir, you
> >> can't
> >> back up a subdirectory, because TSM will never traverse the C: drive
> >> at all.
> >>
> >> The only way to backup a subdirectory in C: without backing up all
> >> of C: is
> >>
> >> exclude c:\...\*
> >> include c:\...\subdir\...\*
> >>
> >> And that is going to give you a backup of all the files in subdir,
> >> and any
> >> subdirectories of subdir, AND a backup of all the other directory
> >> objects on
> >> C: as well. No way around that.
> >>
> >> NOW for my quibble, which is with the use of this notation:
> >> INCORRECT:
> >> exclude c:\...\*.*
> >>
> >> The include/exclude statements are doing a pattern match against the
> >> long
> >> file name.
> >> If you use the notation "*.*", the include/exclude statement will
> >> NOT match
> >> any files that do not have a "." in the name.  There aren't a lot,
> >> but you
> >> will find some files in window with no suffix.  I have NEVER seen a
> >> case in
> >> a real TSM site where the use of this notation was correct, or
> >> getting  the
> >> intended results.
> >>
> >> The correct notation is c:\...\*
> >>
> >> the \ ...\ is a wildcard for any number of subdirectories (including 0
> >> subdirectories), and the * is a pattern match for any number of
> >> characters,
> >> so it always works.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately the incorrect use of c:\...\*.* persisted in the
> >> client manual
> >> for a long time,  but it was an artifact leftover from prehistoric
> >> windows
> >> versions, before windows used long file names.  And of course, it
> >> still
> >> persists in web-space (and probably will persist long after we're dead
> >> because of that!).  But it's still incorrect.
> >>
> >> W
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, lindsay morris
> >> <lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com>wrote:
> >>
> >>  Well, not to quibble, Bill, but you can use exclude.dir to avoid
> >>> getting the C: directories, right?
> >>> And the problem of users / admins adding a drive in the future, and
> >>> TSM then SILENTLY skipping it due to DOMAIN D:,  is real.
> >>>
> >>> I mean, I've seen this happen, and want to warn against this bad
> >>> practice.
> >>> Agree? Disagree?
> >>> ------
> >>> Mr. Lindsay Morris
> >>> Principal
> >>> www.tsmworks.com
> >>> 919-403-8260
> >>> lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:54 AM, Bill Boyer wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to exclude it from the DOMAIN. That way you won't get the
> >>>
> >>>> directories on the C: drive. This is from the help.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   For example, in the following options Tivoli Storage Manager will
> >>>>   process all local drives except for the c: drive, systemobject,
> >>>>   and systemstate domain:
> >>>>
> >>>>      domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemobject
> >>>>      domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemstate
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Boyer
> >>>> "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
> >>>> Behalf Of
> >>>> lindsay morris
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:27 AM
> >>>> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> >>>> Subject: Re: Incl/Excl Problem
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, there's a problem there:
> >>>> Our ART product has found several customers that shot themselves in
> >>>> the foot by doing this:
> >>>> DOMAIN D:
> >>>> because they don't want to back up C:, a stock image of windows-and-
> >>>> office.
> >>>>
> >>>> That works fine. But months later, the user adds drive E:, and TSM
> >>>> silently skips it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Better to use exclude of C:, IMHO
> >>>>
> >>>> ------
> >>>> Mr. Lindsay Morris
> >>>> Principal
> >>>> www.tsmworks.com
> >>>> 919-403-8260
> >>>> lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:05 AM, km wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Even easier (no OS involvment) would be to use:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> virtualmountpoint c:\dir
> >>>>> domain c:\dir
> >>>>>
> >>>>> in dsm.opt
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -km
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 23/07, Adrian Compton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Hi Patryk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I found the best way to selectively backup directories was to
> >>>>>> create a
> >>>>>> share on the directory, and you can then choose that share as a
> >>>>>> domain
> >>>>>> to backup in your opt file.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hope this helps
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Adrian Compton
> >>>>>> Aspen Pharmacare Port Elizabeth
> >>>>>> tel: +2741 4072855
> >>>>>> Fax: +2741 453 7452
> >>>>>> Cell: +27823204495
> >>>>>> Email: acompton AT aspenpharma DOT com
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
> >>>>>> Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Patryk Bobak
> >>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009 09:37 AM
> >>>>>> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> >>>>>> Subject: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have problem with Incl/Excl list on client. I've searched forum
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> google
> >>>>>> but I cant find good solution. I want to backup only one selected
> >>>>>> folder
> >>>>>> (with subfolders and files) from C:. For example "C:\test\". I
> >>>>>> tryed a
> >>>>>> lot
> >>>>>> of configurations with exclude, exclude.dir and includes, and it
> >>>>>> backup
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>> whole C: or dont backup anything.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TSM Client: 6.1 Windows, TSM Server: 5.5.0 z/OS
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Patryk.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
>
>
> --
> __________________________________
> Leandro Mazur
>