ADSM-L

Re: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem

2009-08-04 13:30:40
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem
From: Leandro Mazur <leandromazur AT GMAIL DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:29:21 -0300
In here, we use something like this:

Exclude *
Exclude *:\...\*
Include C:\test\...\*
Exclude.dir C:\[a-s]*
Exclude.dir C:\[u-z]*

Tha way, we exclude from processing the other unwanted directories of the
drive C:

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:58 AM, lindsay morris <lindsay AT tsmworks DOT 
com>wrote:

> Wanda your two cents is worth at least a dime!
>
> I never knew you could use a MINUS sign in the DOMAIN statement to
> EXCLUDE a drive/filespace.
> Perfect, easy solution for all those "bad=practice" customers who've
> done this!
> I hope they lurk here, read this and make the change.
>
> Thank you!
>
> ------
> Mr. Lindsay Morris
> Principal
> www.tsmworks.com
> 919-403-8260
> lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at Jul 24, 8:34 AM, Wanda Prather wrote:
>
>  Here's adding my 2c to the confusion:
>>
>> I agree with Lindsay;  setting
>> DOMAIN D:
>> is dangerous, because that way all you get is D:, and if someone
>> adds an E:
>> drive later, it will be skipped.
>>
>> So I recommend using Bill's notation:
>>
>> Domain ALL-LOCAL   -C:
>> or
>> Domain ALL-LOCAL
>> Domain -C:
>>
>> Domain statements are additive; so if you specify all-local  minus
>> C:, if
>> someone adds an E: drive later it will be correctly picked up.
>>
>> However, the original poster wanted to back up a subdirectory on C:
>> If you exclude C: with a Domain statement, or with exclude.dir, you
>> can't
>> back up a subdirectory, because TSM will never traverse the C: drive
>> at all.
>>
>> The only way to backup a subdirectory in C: without backing up all
>> of C: is
>>
>> exclude c:\...\*
>> include c:\...\subdir\...\*
>>
>> And that is going to give you a backup of all the files in subdir,
>> and any
>> subdirectories of subdir, AND a backup of all the other directory
>> objects on
>> C: as well. No way around that.
>>
>> NOW for my quibble, which is with the use of this notation:
>> INCORRECT:
>> exclude c:\...\*.*
>>
>> The include/exclude statements are doing a pattern match against the
>> long
>> file name.
>> If you use the notation "*.*", the include/exclude statement will
>> NOT match
>> any files that do not have a "." in the name.  There aren't a lot,
>> but you
>> will find some files in window with no suffix.  I have NEVER seen a
>> case in
>> a real TSM site where the use of this notation was correct, or
>> getting  the
>> intended results.
>>
>> The correct notation is c:\...\*
>>
>> the \ ...\ is a wildcard for any number of subdirectories (including 0
>> subdirectories), and the * is a pattern match for any number of
>> characters,
>> so it always works.
>>
>> Unfortunately the incorrect use of c:\...\*.* persisted in the
>> client manual
>> for a long time,  but it was an artifact leftover from prehistoric
>> windows
>> versions, before windows used long file names.  And of course, it
>> still
>> persists in web-space (and probably will persist long after we're dead
>> because of that!).  But it's still incorrect.
>>
>> W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, lindsay morris
>> <lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com>wrote:
>>
>>  Well, not to quibble, Bill, but you can use exclude.dir to avoid
>>> getting the C: directories, right?
>>> And the problem of users / admins adding a drive in the future, and
>>> TSM then SILENTLY skipping it due to DOMAIN D:,  is real.
>>>
>>> I mean, I've seen this happen, and want to warn against this bad
>>> practice.
>>> Agree? Disagree?
>>> ------
>>> Mr. Lindsay Morris
>>> Principal
>>> www.tsmworks.com
>>> 919-403-8260
>>> lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:54 AM, Bill Boyer wrote:
>>>
>>> I prefer to exclude it from the DOMAIN. That way you won't get the
>>>
>>>> directories on the C: drive. This is from the help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   For example, in the following options Tivoli Storage Manager will
>>>>   process all local drives except for the c: drive, systemobject,
>>>>   and systemstate domain:
>>>>
>>>>      domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemobject
>>>>      domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemstate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Boyer
>>>> "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> lindsay morris
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:27 AM
>>>> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: Incl/Excl Problem
>>>>
>>>> Well, there's a problem there:
>>>> Our ART product has found several customers that shot themselves in
>>>> the foot by doing this:
>>>> DOMAIN D:
>>>> because they don't want to back up C:, a stock image of windows-and-
>>>> office.
>>>>
>>>> That works fine. But months later, the user adds drive E:, and TSM
>>>> silently skips it.
>>>>
>>>> Better to use exclude of C:, IMHO
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>> Mr. Lindsay Morris
>>>> Principal
>>>> www.tsmworks.com
>>>> 919-403-8260
>>>> lindsay AT tsmworks DOT com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:05 AM, km wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Even easier (no OS involvment) would be to use:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> virtualmountpoint c:\dir
>>>>> domain c:\dir
>>>>>
>>>>> in dsm.opt
>>>>>
>>>>> -km
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07, Adrian Compton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Patryk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found the best way to selectively backup directories was to
>>>>>> create a
>>>>>> share on the directory, and you can then choose that share as a
>>>>>> domain
>>>>>> to backup in your opt file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adrian Compton
>>>>>> Aspen Pharmacare Port Elizabeth
>>>>>> tel: +2741 4072855
>>>>>> Fax: +2741 453 7452
>>>>>> Cell: +27823204495
>>>>>> Email: acompton AT aspenpharma DOT com
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Patryk Bobak
>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2009 09:37 AM
>>>>>> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>>>>>> Subject: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have problem with Incl/Excl list on client. I've searched forum
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> google
>>>>>> but I cant find good solution. I want to backup only one selected
>>>>>> folder
>>>>>> (with subfolders and files) from C:. For example "C:\test\". I
>>>>>> tryed a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of configurations with exclude, exclude.dir and includes, and it
>>>>>> backup
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> whole C: or dont backup anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TSM Client: 6.1 Windows, TSM Server: 5.5.0 z/OS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patryk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>


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